Is cable (and sat) leaching becoming too easy?

[martin-f]

take a look here ulrich100

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/forums/fe...-members-only/

[ulrich100]

Originally Posted by martin-f

take a look here ulrich100

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/forums/fe...-members-only/

Thanks, will make an interesting read.

[2nd_floor_up]

Why is their so much snobbery in this, why is it that people can not simply want to view without being **** hot with a soldering iron or have an A+ in C++ (bit of humour, please dont tell me it is the wrong programing lanuage)
live and let live.. It is nice to see some of the old Sat boys still love to have a dig at cable, I reffer you to my previous statement.

Fun to be had for all, and before anyone kicks me in the ribs, I pay full subs to VERMIN

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by 2nd_floor_up

Why is their so much snobbery in this, why is it that people can not simply want to view without being **** hot with a soldering iron or have an A+ in C++ (bit of humour, please dont tell me it is the wrong programing lanuage)

Because us snobs believe it shouldn't be about viewing - it should be all about the hobby and learning how things work. If your not willing to learn then personally, I dont think you should be messing with cable (or sat for that matter).

Same applies (even more so) to modems. Some of the questions you see about modems make me shudder, as do some of the replies from the so called 'experts'. Its actually a testement to how tolerant VM's cable network is thats its still functioning considering all the abuse it gets from people who have little clue what there doing !

[2nd_floor_up]

Originally Posted by TheCoder

Because us snobs believe it shouldn't be about viewing - it should be all about the hobby and learning how things work. If your not willing to learn then personally, I dont think you should be messing with cable (or sat for that matter).

Same applies (even more so) to modems. Some of the questions you see about modems make me shudder, as do some of the replies from the so called 'experts'. Its actually a testement to how tolerant VM's cable network is thats its still functioning considering all the abuse it gets from people who have little clue what there doing !

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, Yes I have come on here and picked up loads of informatrion on both cable and modems, however i agree with your point about some of the questions, people should use search, try and try before asking, yes they want spoon feeding, but why assume that everyone is the same as they may not pick up the required knowledge without alot of hard work.



I already pointed out that i pay full suds, so it is not all about the "veiwing", but the attitude of "it is my ball, i have the knowledge" I understand that leechers and worse people who sell are deserving of nothing, but come on, the whole point of a forum is to share knowlegde encourage others to learn, not slag them off or belittle anything anyone asks, live and let live, either post a positive comment, or leave the thread alone.

ding ding round 2

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by 2nd_floor_up

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder

No chip, its just what I believe. I really dont think people should have it just for free TV - for me and most other hobbyists its all about the challenge !

why assume that everyone is the same as they may not pick up the required knowledge without alot of hard work.

Because the aquisition of knowledge is really what the hobby is all about. That only comes if you put the hard work in !

I already pointed out that i pay full suds, so it is not all about the "veiwing", but the attitude of "it is my ball, i have the knowledge" I understand that leechers and worse people who sell are deserving of nothing, but come on, the whole point of a forum is to share knowlegde encourage others to learn, not slag them off or belittle anything anyone asks, live and let live, either post a positive comment, or leave the thread alone.

Pretty much every hobbyist I know pays full subs, myself included so its never been about actually viewing. Yes, I have some knowledge but my point is that with some study anybody else can also have that knowledge. Many times i've hinted/pointed at where this freely available knowledge is available and rarely does anybody even bother to look. All I ever see is people asking for a 1, 2, 3... spoonfeeding session. I'll discuss the technical aspects with anybody but you have to at least learn the basics to understand what i'm telling you.

These days, you wont find a simple tutorial for getting the pairing keys on N3. Thats just not how it works. Every situation is different so you REQUIRE the technical knowledge to be able to achieve the technical goalposts yourself. I doubt there will ever be a simple way for the masses to aquire these keys from the majority of boxes.

[2nd_floor_up]

Originally Posted by TheCoder

No chip, its just what I believe. I really dont think people should have it just for free TV - for me and most other hobbyists its all about the challenge !



Because the aquisition of knowledge is really what the hobby is all about. That only comes if you put the hard work in !



Pretty much every hobbyist I know pays full subs, myself included so its never been about actually viewing. Yes, I have some knowledge but my point is that with some study anybody else can also have that knowledge. Many times i've hinted/pointed at where this freely available knowledge is available and rarely does anybody even bother to look. All I ever see is people asking for a 1, 2, 3... spoonfeeding session. I'll discuss the technical aspects with anybody but you have to at least learn the basics to understand what i'm telling you.

These days, you wont find a simple tutorial for getting the pairing keys on N3. Thats just not how it works. Every situation is different so you REQUIRE the technical knowledge to be able to achieve the technical goalposts yourself. I doubt there will ever be a simple way for the masses to aquire these keys from the majority of boxes.

I don't want this thread to become about you and I.

You have said nothing that I disagree with, however, the nature of the beast is we are all here for different reasons, the OP intended to get a reaction posting and he has, I have never asked for spoon feeding or 1 2 3, but sometimes we all need help finding the first run on the ladder.

The point is, the op asked has getting cable become to easy, imho, no because N3 is doing its job, until the knowledge on how to "beat it" is shared or pointed at, (yeah I dare say some cleaver people out there have it licked, and yes they may even share it with the chosen few)then no as how many people have non paid for cable as apposed to before N3

My opinion is knowledge is power, yes I want to learn, yes I want to help other, and yes if someone wants me to sit on msn for a couple of hours to talk them through something, then I am happy to do so, as others have done for me. I don't see it as being lazy, as I will have already tried and tried to sort it out for myself..and yes I still am