Countermeasures for cs

[stoneyja]

does anyone have an idea of what countermeasures will be taken against cs (maybe one for the coder)

[unadkat]

Originally Posted by stoneyja

does anyone have an idea of what countermeasures will be taken against cs (maybe one for the coder)

They already have done it on one of the satelites 7W (OSN) as they bought out boxes which have the card built internally and now that has Stopped ''C/S'' on that network.

More info on there site.

Am not sure if anyone can answer the question u stated above as no one would know the kinda measures that network providers would take.

[G77]

the main uk provider can stop it all with one swift move.

[lincsat]

I would suspect that if it was that easy to do, it would have been done already. There have been rumours for over a Year that the UK provider would be blocking CS "Within Weeks" with some people saying it was fact and not a rumour.

I've no doubt that it would be possible to block CS, but I suspect that it may currently cause other problems that have prevented implementation.

[TheCoder]

There's quite a lot of things that can be done to make CS difficult but to illiminate it completely would likely involve the replacement of every stb and card.

For complete illimination, Stb's would have to be built in such a way that the crucial 'pairing' data would be totally inaccessible to the end user - probably by embedding certificates and encryption within the actual core processor chip. There would also need to be steps takes to ensure the crucial CW's were never exposed outside of the processor (ie nothing on any databus). This could potentially be achieved by making the 'flash' and SDRAM memory actually part of the core processor silicon - basically a stb within a single chip !

The main problem for providers is that local 'card sharing' is actually a required feature in most encryption systems as support for multiple tuners in a single device is pretty much compulsory. This means a card has to be able to handle at least two and perhaps as many as four decryption streams at the same time.

The present generation of cards can obviously handle considerably more than this so in theory the first step is to make the cards more 'aware' of what they are decoding and limit them to, say, 5 or 6 streams maximum at any one time. This would seriously cramp small home servers but probably not the bigger commercial servers (although they would have to buy more subsciptions thus increasing their overhead). There is some potential for providers to modify the present cards via 'bugcatcher' mechanisms in order to reduce their capabilities but for some reason this has never been done.

There's also some potential for providers to modify the way card pairing works although this would probably only provide a temporary solution until any new pairing method is sussed out (on the present generation of stb's the pairing mechanism is quite easy to observe, especially on stb's with nice features like jtag).

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by lincsat

I've no doubt that it would be possible to block CS, but I suspect that it may currently cause other problems that have prevented implementation.

The main problem is that the UK providers simply dont see the present situation as serious enough to respond except in the very crude ways of attempting to detect and illiminate the servers by legal means.

When compared to the actual number of subscribers, CS is still actually a relatively small annoyance. Any practical counter-move would likely cost them far more than they are already losing to the CS pirates. As CS becomes more mainstream and popular, expect to see a greater response from the providers !

[G77]

heh, one thing the main uk provider could do to make it a bit more difficult is to remove that bloody sticker off the bottom on the box!

[cupid stunt]

Bring back Nag 1 I say

[stoneyja]

so a possible way would be for the card and the box to be married so if it was removed it would not work on any other reciever or be read on a card reader ?????? and just a thought do any of you mods cs including coder ??????

[lincsat]

I would think that is one option with a tighter marriage than currently.

I sell boxes that can be used with CS, but have never got involved with running a server. The furthest I got was sharing a Porn card from one box to another with a broken card reader, basically to see if I could do it