Has sky ever been hacked

[stoneyja]

Im on about before like when vm switched from n1 to n3.has nds ever had to change the piracy system ? just curious

[G77]

there is a lot of "cloak and dagger" stories regarding nagra vs nds.

i think im right in saying that originally, nagra wasn't exactly hacked but more 'released'

its a case of nobody from nds has turned rogue enough to release

[stoneyja]

ok thanks, so was there 3rd party sat recievers such as the eurovox on cable that descrambled satellite boradcasts?

[unadkat]

Originally Posted by stoneyja

ok thanks, so was there 3rd party sat recievers such as the eurovox on cable that descrambled satellite boradcasts?

nope

NO third party sat receivers have ever DE scrambled Sat broadcasting. From what am aware of is that SKY used to use N1 back in the analogue days and since N1 was hacked, which is why peeps used to able to get them dodgy sly cards back in the days. Since they moved to ''Video guard'' it all changed. Also am sure this was the days when SKY UK used to be on 19.2E, until Murdoch decided to have his own Sat position (28.2E).

However if I remember right from reading one of the posts on here is that NDS was hacked in the USA. Am sure that is what I read. The only way was C/S. However with allot foreign sat you can get ''keys'' to De scramble certain channels etc etc

[madrat]

Wasn't sky analogue videocript?

[unadkat]

Originally Posted by madrat

Wasn't sky analogue videocript?

hello mate

your right

its definitely Video crypt.. I just checked wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCrypt

[kegnkiwi]

i believe that sky found out videocrypt was vunerable and this helped with the quick transission to videoguard (nds). You can find the software to hack videocrypt on the net (i've had it sometime over the years). It is rumoured that nds paid for nagravision 1 to be hacked and then released the results onto the net. (rumour). Kudulski then released n2 about the same time with very similar cards, thats why it was hacked open very easily. Nagravision is supposed to be a very secure encryption, even better than nds, and it looks like they have the cards right this time. I think they also use different type cards for each provider, so if one provider is hacked they need to start again on the next.

[G77]

what was the deal with the 9v battery a while back?

[kegnkiwi]

Originally Posted by G77

what was the deal with the 9v battery a while back?

That was a load of rubbish, you put a 9v battery into a phone socket and that powered up the socket to show the box you where connected to the phone line, it then allowed you to spend up to your limit of £50.00 on box office movies. When the box tried to call back every wed night or so early in the morning the box could not get through to sky as it showed as always engaged. So you never got any bills for the box office spend. Now the downside is the box has memory so when you next attach the box to a phone line or sell the box on the owner gets a nice bill for all the box office spend your accumulated.

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by kegnkiwi

i believe that sky found out videocrypt was vunerable and this helped with the quick transission to videoguard (nds).

Pretty much all anologue systems were vulnerable as its relatively harder to encrypt an analogue signal (whilst still maintaining it in analogue form). Digital is easy to encrypt - its just numbers.

Most of the analogue systems used a variation of two main techniqes - line re-ordering and line cut & rotate.

Re-ordering simply transmitted the video lines in a 'varying' order so, instead of getting line1, line2, line3 etc you might get line231, line8, line 302, line 56 etc. Obviously this would give you nonsense on the TV screen without a decoder.

Cut & rotate is sort of similar but it works on individual lines. Here each individual line was 'snipped' at some point (for videocrypt it was 1 of 64 points) and then the two parts were swapped. Again, you end up with nonsense on the TV screen without a decoder.

With digital systems all the data is numeric so you can effectivelly scramble every single pixel on the screen (as well as the audio, which is also in digital form).

Also remember that the actual scrambling used on NDS is IDENTICAL to that used on Nagra and, indeed, any other DVB broadcast (its a standard). The NDS/Nagra encryption encrypts only the keys used to de-scramble the data, not the actual streamdata itself.