Starview support

[bonghitt]

wow..all this over trying to watch a bit of telly for free.

give them all sub machine guns

[PerryCox]

Originally Posted by clio1

I still think you are missing the point here, even if kv have money going to ser*** and its included in the price, so did Sv did they not, then Sv changed the goal posts, that is the big difference now between Kv and Sv

And that is relevant how?

, now Sv are now openly charging people for a payserver via PayPal if you want to watch their box, they will have to take out a 6mth or a 12mth payment, which in the forum rules say you cannot talk about cardshare ie payserver same difference.

AFAIK, the forum rules ban cardshare discussion, not payserver (esp. with respect to UK providers). Since the KV is a CS based system, will you be fighting to get KV chat stopped? I await correction on this issue, but I'm fairly sure the main thing is the discussion of systems, not the price paid (or not paid) for said system.

If Sv and Kv where the same they would also be doing the same thing asking people to pay via payserver, so technically Kv are not doing this and thus not breaking the forum rules by asking folk to pay to watch their box.

If I said "Everyone, point your DBoxes to my server, I'm sharing ESPN Sports to everyone for free. You'll need to buy the set up file for a fiver, but access is free" would that be allowed? Of course not, the illusion of not paying for a service doesn't make it any more legitimate when it comes to Cardshare talk.

Why has Admin not spoke on this subject as coder has even asked this question on a few post, which has gone unanswered.

Only Brian can answer that.

In other news, the lincsat bashing is getting boring now. I don't know what he's done to offend certain members, but he seems to be conducting himself with dignity whilst dealing with ridiculous comments thrown his way.

[PerryCox]

Thinking about it, ignore my above post. Logic and reason mean nothing to a zealot. For some people, it's not about being happy with what you believe, you have to be a dick to everyone who believes differently to you.

I'm off to the horse riding forums, to tell them why mountain biking is cheaper, more fun and less gay.

[clio1]

If you cant see the difference in the above post you are as bad, if someone is "paying" for card share or payserver both are the same "you are paying via a payment system".

As if Kv went the same way "yes" i would be doing the same regardless, its a no no on all forums not to allow talk regarding payserver or cardserver, as it leave the forum open to all sorts of things, mainly aiding and abeting people in receiving subscription tv.

Now i know what you are going to say sure there are patches on here that do that, if you all so notice any software uploaded here is the responsibility uploader and not the owner of the site, which clears the forum of responsibility for this, and can also be put down to educational purposes.

With a payserver or a cardsharing service you cannot say it for educational purposes, can you, and as for you setting up a server to allow others to connect to, yes technically you are now a payserver and open to prosecution regardless of it been 1 box or 200 boxes connected to it, you are re distributing subscription tv without the express permission of the provider, contravening there terms and conditions.

Also if you cant see the difference in a payserver and a cardsharing payment, maybe you would be better off telling them why mountain biking is cheaper, more fun and less gay.

[lincsat]

Originally Posted by PerryCox

In other news, the lincsat bashing is getting boring now. I don't know what he's done to offend certain members, but he seems to be conducting himself with dignity whilst dealing with ridiculous comments thrown his way.

Careful M8, you will be next - lol

Some people just want to disagree with everything I post - I was considering making a post stating that Friday will be the 1st of July and see how many disagree with that

[unadkat]

Originally Posted by lincsat

Careful M8, you will be next - lol

Some people just want to disagree with everything I post - I was considering making a post stating that Friday will be the 1st of July and see how many disagree with that

I am not taking no sides here but I have to admit that what Clio and Coder have stated is pretty much Bang ON.


So here is the rulez:

This forum is for general discussion of Card-share and associated technology, it is not intended to offer specific help to obtain a C/S for any package or service.
Please adhere to the following rules for card-share discussion. They will be strictly enforced by the staff.

1. No discussion of UK providers
2. No exchanging share lines or advertising for shares. This includes via PM
3. No discussion of commercial servers
4. Do not PM staff asking for support
5. Do Not post WAN IP addresses or complete DNS addresses on the forum
6. Posting email addresses or Instant Messenger contacts on the forum will be considered advertising for shares as per rule 2
7. Do not post cam logs etc to the forum

Anyone breaking rules 1, 2 or 3 will be banned permanently.

These rules are subject to review at any time.


Star-view is now a pay server! In other-words paying a subscription for access whether its 6 months or 12 months.

Also linking them to a tool bar for that subscription is pretty much the same as anyone giving out server details for either Sky.

Which is considered as a Pay server. Where you pay to gain access for channels.

So unless am mistaken here. I would say that what has been stated by the 2 individuals is correct.

KV is not a Pay-server, you ask why is that, Well for one thing there is nothing that you pay in order to gain access to the server. All you doing is buying a STB, flashing the modified firmware and then plug in and play. There is no monthly fees involved.

It's would be same thing if I set-up a Sat server and came here advertising it and then asking for monthly or even quarterly payments in order to gain access to it. Would be still considered as a Pay server and also would mean that am breaking the rules stated above.

[clio1]

Originally Posted by unadkat

I am not taking no sides here but I have to admit that what Clio and Coder have stated is pretty much Bang ON.


So here is the rulez:

This forum is for general discussion of Card-share and associated technology, it is not intended to offer specific help to obtain a C/S for any package or service.
Please adhere to the following rules for card-share discussion. They will be strictly enforced by the staff.

1. No discussion of UK providers
2. No exchanging share lines or advertising for shares. This includes via PM
3. No discussion of commercial servers
4. Do not PM staff asking for support
5. Do Not post WAN IP addresses or complete DNS addresses on the forum
6. Posting email addresses or Instant Messenger contacts on the forum will be considered advertising for shares as per rule 2
7. Do not post cam logs etc to the forum

Anyone breaking rules 1, 2 or 3 will be banned permanently.

These rules are subject to review at any time.


Star-view is now a pay server! In other-words paying a subscription for access whether its 6 months or 12 months.

Also linking them to a tool bar for that subscription is pretty much the same as anyone giving out server details for either Sky.

Which is considered as a Pay server. Where you pay to gain access for channels.

So unless am mistaken here. I would say that what has been stated by the 2 individuals is correct.

KV is not a Pay-server, you ask why is that, Well for one thing there is nothing that you pay in order to gain access to the server. All you doing is buying a STB, flashing the modified firmware and then plug in and play. There is no monthly fees involved.

It's would be same thing if I set-up a Sat server and came here advertising it and then asking for monthly or even quarterly payments in order to gain access to it. Would be still considered as a Pay server and also would mean that am breaking the rules stated above.

Spot on m8 exactly what my point was, and still no decision made on this from Brian who is the Administrator here, whether or not he is in agreement on this, even now that two posters have requested clarification on this matter, and now i notice the post have also been removed requesting this as well.

As i have said above regardless of it been Sv or Kv i would be the same on both counts, if they are asking for payment via a payserver to view channels, they should not be allowed to do this as per the forum rules.

Rule Number 3

3. No discussion of commercial servers

[jimbo]

if u feel u are being ignored have u pressed the report post button? have any of u contacted Brian / admin? by pm?, seems the logically thing to do, knowing Brian / admin they would reply.

[lincsat]

Originally Posted by unadkat

Star-view is now a pay server! In other-words paying a subscription for access whether its 6 months or 12 months.

Also linking them to a tool bar for that subscription is pretty much the same as anyone giving out server details for either Sky.

Which is considered as a Pay server. Where you pay to gain access for channels.

So unless am mistaken here. I would say that what has been stated by the 2 individuals is correct.

KV is not a Pay-server, you ask why is that, Well for one thing there is nothing that you pay in order to gain access to the server. All you doing is buying a STB, flashing the modified firmware and then plug in and play. There is no monthly fees involved.

It's would be same thing if I set-up a Sat server and came here advertising it and then asking for monthly or even quarterly payments in order to gain access to it. Would be still considered as a Pay server and also would mean that am breaking the rules stated above.

If the file on Bigmaq had a "click here to pay for server access" button, then you may have a valid argument, but it does not. You can request support for all Starview products with the file. If you use Google, Bing or other search engines, then you could probably find the actual payment address, so should we ban all mention of those? The payments are through Paypal, so should we ban mention of that as well?

I have not contacted SV myself or used the file to send anything, but it seems to me that SV are claiming that access to the server is free when you pay for support, just like KV claim that access to the KV server is free when you pay for a box. To me that is just the same, you have to pay for something to get access to the server.

This is getting very repetitive now, with Kryptview supporters trying to get talk of Starview banned rather than just slagging them off at every opportunity. If you want to contact the Forum owner for a clarification, then please do but I think the constant Starview bashing without having anything constructive to say has gone far enough - Thread closed