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helpfull · 16-07-11, 04:09 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23274290/

leeds6 · 16-07-11, 05:46 PM

so virgin lost lost 720 million pounds to these three guys if they were in business for five years i smell the whiff of bull

heavy sentances though if they were crack dealers they would have got less

TheCoder · 16-07-11, 06:15 PM

Unfortunately, courts nearly always look at 'potential' loss as its very difficult to determine the real loss. In this case they have simply decided that the potential loss is £30 per box per month.

If you were looking over the 5 year period you cant just multiply the one year amount by 5. You have to account for a gradual build up, so, lets say in the 1st year it would be 1/5th of the £144 Million, 2nd year 2/5ths etc....

G77 · 16-07-11, 06:37 PM

And Malcolm said:

We take this matter extremely seriously and will continue to work closely with police forces and forensic teams throughout the UK to prosecute individuals connected with this type of fraud.

PerryCox · 16-07-11, 06:58 PM

Does anyone know...

Were they selling pre-flashed boxes?

G77 · 16-07-11, 07:01 PM

sounds like it. they had a guy delivering them.

your adverage joe doesnt want to get his box home and have to order a null modem cable offov ebay.. he wants to plug it in and watch a movie he's already seen.

TheCoder · 16-07-11, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerryCox

Does anyone know...

Were they selling pre-flashed boxes?

From what I remember of them they were all flashed with fully operational firmware by the manufacturer - there was no FTA version.

unadkat · 16-07-11, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Mukundan Pillai, 42, was the technical expert

Was this guy the technical expert? because I didn't think you had to be technical in order to flash any boxes. As a 5 yr old can do it.

fnr3master · 16-07-11, 08:34 PM

looks like there in for a long stretch

G77 · 16-07-11, 08:51 PM

again, this setup involved hardly any skill and certainly no technical expertise,

they simply put money into a deal, fetched in the stb's and flogged them to the masses.

they deserve every thing they get.

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G77 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6,118 Thanks: 695 Thanked 1,250 Times in 1,044 Posts	Re: Ouch! again, this setup involved hardly any skill and certainly no technical expertise, they simply put money into a deal, fetched in the stb's and flogged them to the masses. they deserve every thing they get. __________________ 1M Motorised Dish, 45W-36E, DM800HD. Quad LNB Mesh Mini Dish, 28.2E, DM500, TM500. Samsung Galaxy S GT-I9000 XXJVU & CF-Root.