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It will need unlocking in an unlooper first, if you try reading it with your programmer in phoenix mode, using nagra edit 4.1 you will see the revision of the card rom11 B0D ,rom10 A86, etc, then you use a suitable script in unlooper, once it is unlocked you can read it in 4.1, then click on data editor and theres your bk, ird you can get from unlooper or eng menu or sometimes it may still be on card.
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