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1424241 · 06-03-07, 04:11 AM

When I heard about the new AVCHD format, I almost ran out and bought an sr1 or sd1, then I heard about the editting issues and because I didn't have time to wait for software to come out, I bought a Canon XL1s. Anyone know how long it will be now before some software comes out? A lot of people say April but no one seems to be sure.

lucian777 · 08-03-07, 08:43 AM

AVCHD i think is better!

alexar · 09-03-07, 08:01 AM

Hi,
I am going to buy HD camcorder, and being computer guy SD1 (solid state media, no moving parts, weight) looks pretty inviting.
I can wait a couple of months to get new software able to edit AVCHD files, and my next PC anyhow will be strong enough, just because of industry trends.
I plan to do family/vacations movies, so most probably nobody will ever look at it except myself

What do you think - HC7 (old good HVD, tapes, etc) or SD1 (3CCD, SD) ?
Price difference is not an issue.

lovehateHDV · 09-03-07, 08:10 AM

Have you seen this?

From what I see it's the worst HD camcorder of all of them. Resolution is HORRIBLE!

look fo yourself.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...erformance.htm

lucian777 · 09-03-07, 09:03 AM

I'm going to buy a Sanyo hd1a , The price is 559 $. i saw that is not so good in low light situations, but the size...is preaty small for an HD camera and mp4 is a smple file to use compare to .mts .What do you think about this camera?

wuzabeeb · 09-03-07, 09:55 AM

Editing AVCHD is available through Edius 4 Broadcast utility that is a free download. It converts the file format I think. Vegas 7.0d is also supposed to be supporting the format.

lucian777 · 09-03-07, 11:09 AM

you need a super comuter to convert avchd format.....
Intel? Pentium? 4 3.0GHz CPU or faster (Intel Xeon?2.8GHz dual processors recommended for HD/HDV editing, Hyper-Threading supported)
512MB RAM (1GB RAM recommended)
300MB free disk space for the application
Windows? XP Home or Windows? XP Professional (Service Pack 2 or later)
DirectX 9.0 or later Graphics card with hardware-based DirectDraw overlay and 32-bit color display at a 1024x768 resolution (128MB of graphics memory is required when editing in HD resolution)
ATA100/5400rpm or faster hard disk recommended (Ultra SCSI 160 or better is required for playing two or more uncompressed video streams

Sorry but to take a 20 min of footage i have to do all this. I agree the avchd is a fine quality format but who really needs it for a small family movie.
I have finished with the mini dv that took me half a day to copy and then to compress and now this avchd format for who i need to buy a super fast computer an throw my 1 year old laptop. Sorry for my english!

alexar · 09-03-07, 11:17 AM

From
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...Conclusion.htm:

Conclusion
If you travel in high society and want to make a statement, then this is the camcorder for you. It looks like a camcorder that millionaires would choose – small, sleek and stylish — and the video is not bad if you don’t look at it closely. I suspect it is targeted for society moms who can appreciate a designer camcorder. However, video enthusiasts would be better off sticking with HDV for a recording format. The video quality is better and the prices are lower.

Still I'd like to see the footage ...
But now it looks less attractive than before

alexar · 09-03-07, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucian777

you need a super comuter to convert avchd format.....
Intel? Pentium? 4 3.0GHz CPU or faster (Intel Xeon?2.8GHz dual processors recommended for HD/HDV editing, Hyper-Threading supported)
512MB RAM (1GB RAM recommended)
300MB free disk space for the application
Windows? XP Home or Windows? XP Professional (Service Pack 2 or later)
DirectX 9.0 or later Graphics card with hardware-based DirectDraw overlay and 32-bit color display at a 1024x768 resolution (128MB of graphics memory is required when editing in HD resolution)
ATA100/5400rpm or faster hard disk recommended (Ultra SCSI 160 or better is required for playing two or more uncompressed video streams

Sorry but to take a 20 min of footage i have to do all this. I agree the avchd is a fine quality format but who really needs it for a small family movie.
I have finished with the mini dv that took me half a day to copy and then to compress and now this avchd format for who i need to buy a super fast computer an throw my 1 year old laptop. Sorry for my english!

About PC requirements:
The PC that I have now is pretty similar, and is 2 years old, I think.
SATA disks, 1 GB RAM, 3GHz CPU. Next one will be 2 GB RAM, more disks, and dual core - even if I won't need to do avchd conversion.
I am not sure about video cards, but the price difference is not too high, and in my case it is deductible from taxes, so who cares ?

I also do not plan to work on it on my laptop (it is really too weak for this kind of work).
So, the CPU power is not the problem. The picture quality and easyness of working with films does matter. So far I get an impression HC7 is better suited for my need.

lucian777 · 09-03-07, 11:48 AM

after 30 min of hard working to play this kind of format a saw a footage made with SD1 ,IT'S NOT SO IMPRESIVE compare with SONY hdv ! So why can i struggle with an avchd format? ps if panasonic wants to sell SD1 they should give for free a E6400 CPU! to work with svchd format. I just need to buy a new camera not a state of art computer to play a movie.

09-03-07, 08:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
alexar Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	SD1 vs HC7 Hi, I am going to buy HD camcorder, and being computer guy SD1 (solid state media, no moving parts, weight) looks pretty inviting. I can wait a couple of months to get new software able to edit AVCHD files, and my next PC anyhow will be strong enough, just because of industry trends. I plan to do family/vacations movies, so most probably nobody will ever look at it except myself What do you think - HC7 (old good HVD, tapes, etc) or SD1 (3CCD, SD) ? Price difference is not an issue.

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06-03-07, 04:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
1424241 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When I heard about the new AVCHD format, I almost ran out and bought an sr1 or sd1, then I heard about the editting issues and because I didn't have time to wait for software to come out, I bought a Canon XL1s. Anyone know how long it will be now before some software comes out? A lot of people say April but no one seems to be sure.

08-03-07, 08:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
lucian777 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	AVCHD i think is better!

09-03-07, 08:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
lovehateHDV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Earth, Milky Way, the 4D Universe Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have you seen this? From what I see it's the worst HD camcorder of all of them. Resolution is HORRIBLE! look fo yourself. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...erformance.htm

09-03-07, 09:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
lucian777 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm going to buy a Sanyo hd1a , The price is 559 $. i saw that is not so good in low light situations, but the size...is preaty small for an HD camera and mp4 is a smple file to use compare to .mts .What do you think about this camera?

09-03-07, 09:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
wuzabeeb Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bideford Devon UK Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Editing AVCHD is available through Edius 4 Broadcast utility that is a free download. It converts the file format I think. Vegas 7.0d is also supposed to be supporting the format.

09-03-07, 11:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
lucian777 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	you need a super comuter to convert avchd format..... Intel? Pentium? 4 3.0GHz CPU or faster (Intel Xeon?2.8GHz dual processors recommended for HD/HDV editing, Hyper-Threading supported) 512MB RAM (1GB RAM recommended) 300MB free disk space for the application Windows? XP Home or Windows? XP Professional (Service Pack 2 or later) DirectX 9.0 or later Graphics card with hardware-based DirectDraw overlay and 32-bit color display at a 1024x768 resolution (128MB of graphics memory is required when editing in HD resolution) ATA100/5400rpm or faster hard disk recommended (Ultra SCSI 160 or better is required for playing two or more uncompressed video streams Sorry but to take a 20 min of footage i have to do all this. I agree the avchd is a fine quality format but who really needs it for a small family movie. I have finished with the mini dv that took me half a day to copy and then to compress and now this avchd format for who i need to buy a super fast computer an throw my 1 year old laptop. Sorry for my english!

09-03-07, 11:17 AM	#18 (permalink)
alexar Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	From http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...Conclusion.htm: Conclusion If you travel in high society and want to make a statement, then this is the camcorder for you. It looks like a camcorder that millionaires would choose – small, sleek and stylish — and the video is not bad if you don’t look at it closely. I suspect it is targeted for society moms who can appreciate a designer camcorder. However, video enthusiasts would be better off sticking with HDV for a recording format. The video quality is better and the prices are lower. Still I'd like to see the footage ... But now it looks less attractive than before

09-03-07, 11:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
lucian777 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	after 30 min of hard working to play this kind of format a saw a footage made with SD1 ,IT'S NOT SO IMPRESIVE compare with SONY hdv ! So why can i struggle with an avchd format? ps if panasonic wants to sell SD1 they should give for free a E6400 CPU! to work with svchd format. I just need to buy a new camera not a state of art computer to play a movie.