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brentr · 09-03-07, 12:05 AM

I'd like to see footage from Sony's medium to hi end consumer cameras to compare with HDV (HC7). Anyone have footage from DCR-SR80, DCR-SR100, DCR-HC96, etc?

lovehateHDV · 09-03-07, 07:59 AM

HC7 will blow everything out of the water!

Take my word.

(I've let it go anyway

)

shroud · 12-03-07, 09:51 AM

I'll take your word after I post 2 more times (1 after this) so I can have 3 posts and check out the video goodness of the HC7!

By the way, what is the main advantage of these camcorders when using SD footage? Is it just better color or is the clarity of the image noticeable as well? The resolution ends up being the same right so I assume there are not too many other variables or am I mistaken? I am excited to use it in HD regardless!

lovehateHDV · 12-03-07, 10:02 AM

Well, since I'm online right now I might as well answer the question: what's the big deal?

You see, movies are shot either on film or with CineAltas. Then they are resampled for DVD. Home movies are shot with Handycams and then are burned to DVD. However, you'd agree that the difference is incredible.

24p is the primary reason for no interlace lines, but overall sharpness is due to high-rez capture.

With even HC3 and definitely with HV10 and HC7 the downconverted footage looks very much like HD, just a tad smoother. Even though it's not HD anymore it still retains very high level of detail, unlike the cheap handycams.

Of course, that depends on your authoring software and TV setup.

Composite cables tend to "over-smooth" things out. Best viewing is via HDMI or at least component.

Jake Ironshirt · 17-03-07, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovehateHDV

Well, since I'm online right now I might as well answer the question: what's the big deal?

You see, movies are shot either on film or with CineAltas. Then they are resampled for DVD. Home movies are shot with Handycams and then are burned to DVD. However, you'd agree that the difference is incredible.

24p is the primary reason for no interlace lines, but overall sharpness is due to high-rez capture.

With even HC3 and definitely with HV10 and HC7 the downconverted footage looks very much like HD, just a tad smoother. Even though it's not HD anymore it still retains very high level of detail, unlike the cheap handycams.

Of course, that depends on your authoring software and TV setup.

Composite cables tend to "over-smooth" things out. Best viewing is via HDMI or at least component.

I'm curious...how good does the pq from the HC7 look on a medium to large HD set?
Jake

pud77 · 18-03-07, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake Ironshirt

I'm curious...how good does the pq from the HC7 look on a medium to large HD set?
Jake

I'll second that question, and ask regarding a 37" screen

shahar · 18-03-07, 11:57 PM

I know this has little relevance to this discussion, but I just saw at work (in my lab) a F900 through a Panasonic 26" HD lcd and it looks like seeing through a clean window!

lovehateHDV · 19-03-07, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pud77

I'll second that question, and ask regarding a 37" screen

That depends on what kind of set it is. Most sets are 720p now. So, a 37" 1080i looks a lot sharper than 37" 720p.

It is a little subjective, of course, but in my opinion the difference is quite visible.

HC7 on a 42" 1080i set would look fantastic.

You do have to pay close attention to the actual pixelage of the screen.

There are some sets that display only 1366 x 768, even though they take in 1080i.
There are newer sets that display full 1920 x 1080, those would show every little detail.

lovehateHDV · 19-03-07, 04:01 AM

quick add:

I have played HC3 through a 42" 1080i plasma HDTV and only in some cases did I notice that HC3 lacked resolution- some areas looked like blobs of light, otherwise, it was excellent.

roark · 19-03-07, 06:20 AM

For posting videos on the web. Will the quality of an HD camcorder be overkill if it's just going to be down converted and compressed?

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09-03-07, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
lovehateHDV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Earth, Milky Way, the 4D Universe Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HC7 will blow everything out of the water! Take my word. (I've let it go anyway )

12-03-07, 09:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
shroud Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll take your word after I post 2 more times (1 after this) so I can have 3 posts and check out the video goodness of the HC7! By the way, what is the main advantage of these camcorders when using SD footage? Is it just better color or is the clarity of the image noticeable as well? The resolution ends up being the same right so I assume there are not too many other variables or am I mistaken? I am excited to use it in HD regardless!

12-03-07, 10:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
lovehateHDV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Earth, Milky Way, the 4D Universe Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, since I'm online right now I might as well answer the question: what's the big deal? You see, movies are shot either on film or with CineAltas. Then they are resampled for DVD. Home movies are shot with Handycams and then are burned to DVD. However, you'd agree that the difference is incredible. 24p is the primary reason for no interlace lines, but overall sharpness is due to high-rez capture. With even HC3 and definitely with HV10 and HC7 the downconverted footage looks very much like HD, just a tad smoother. Even though it's not HD anymore it still retains very high level of detail, unlike the cheap handycams. Of course, that depends on your authoring software and TV setup. Composite cables tend to "over-smooth" things out. Best viewing is via HDMI or at least component.

18-03-07, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
shahar Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know this has little relevance to this discussion, but I just saw at work (in my lab) a F900 through a Panasonic 26" HD lcd and it looks like seeing through a clean window!

19-03-07, 04:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
lovehateHDV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Earth, Milky Way, the 4D Universe Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	quick add: I have played HC3 through a 42" 1080i plasma HDTV and only in some cases did I notice that HC3 lacked resolution- some areas looked like blobs of light, otherwise, it was excellent.

19-03-07, 06:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
roark Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kalifornia Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For posting videos on the web. Will the quality of an HD camcorder be overkill if it's just going to be down converted and compressed?