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$ly · 01-09-06, 10:48 PM

Short run of CT125, matched feedhorn and something with good ears like a Technomate and he won't be too far off I reckon.

L.

BGonaSTICK · 01-09-06, 11:16 PM

Tasty sounding project isn't it?

satsid · 02-09-06, 06:09 AM

hi guys think i better come in here.i have a 1.8 channel master with c120 feedhorn.im a bit more noth than you,so you should get a bit more signel then me with a 1.8 channel master dish.here goes on what i see.i get all the verts no problems @7 west.hor is different,i can get these only in good wether and @ night only.now onto the 2.4 channel master dish.there was a report a good while back that the 1.8 channel master beat the 2.4 channel master for signel.why i guess is the 2.4 comes in 2 halfs.the 1.8 channel master is a 1 peace dish all in one.iv never tested this as i dont have a 2.4 dish,so take what you want as true here.now with my 1.8 channel master i use a heavey dutey jack 24 inch,this gives me a great veiw of the ark & is strong enough 2 hold the dish good.for receiver if i was you i would go for a receiver that has a very good tuner init.the tm5500 dapci works very well on this setup.iv used other receivers for signel as i have many.none beat this 1.channel master dishes are the best off set dish you can by,but there not cheep.hope this puts you on the right lines.also other dishes of the same size might not get as good signel gain.be warned.
all the best.
from.
sid.

satsid · 02-09-06, 06:19 AM

a quick ps here.london-guy look here & your see my dish.
http://www.satellitehelp.co.uk/forum...p?topic=1159.0

london-guy · 02-09-06, 07:25 PM

hi satsid thanks for your concern i did not see the picture of your dish it was a picture of a small dish with many lnbs looks great
one of the guys in the forum said that Gibertini dishes perforum more than channels master also in the website of Gibertini they said that 1.50 cms do as good as 1.80 in channel master do you think that's right
thanks for all of you guys you are really a good help

BGonaSTICK · 02-09-06, 07:46 PM

Ahh, don't believe all you read in the brochures. I think the Gibi 1.5 might get close, but I doubt it will quite match it.

It would be a fascinating shoot-out though.

I think it comes down to what you can get away with installing. I don't know what your circumstances are exactly.

Here's a picture of Sid's Channel Master from the other thread, a fantastic dish...

It's very true that once you get to a certain size and have to introduce split dishes or petalised dishes for reasons of transport and erection, you instantly lose some of the advantage of the extra size. I think it's also true to say that the bigger dishes perform better, just not in a linear fashion.

Otherwise they wouldn't make them

london-guy · 03-09-06, 10:36 AM

thank you for the picture BGunaSTICK the dish looks great
i did not understand what do you mean by this dear (It's very true that once you get to a certain size and have to introduce split dishes or petalised dishes for reasons of transport and erection, you instantly lose some of the advantage of the extra size )
do you have to have a planning permissiom to install such a big dish

BGonaSTICK · 03-09-06, 12:30 PM

Yes, you have to have planning permission for any dish over 1m nominal diameter.

See: http://www.satellitehelp.co.uk/forum...php?topic=16.0

You could of course take a chance an see if someone complains. You might get away with it, but if not, the authorities will probably just come and tell you to take it down.

What I meant by my comment above follows on from what Sid was saying. He said that the CM 2.4m had reportedly performed worse in tests than the CM 1.8m. He put this down to the fact that the bigger dish comes in two halves, which you have to bolt together.

The manufacturers do that to make it easier to transport. Petalised dishes take this concept further. Those dishes are made up of a number of sections, like the petals of a flower.

The inaccuracies of having joins all over the dish face, and the otherwise imperfect parabolic surface of the assembled dish face spoils the performance to a certain extent, especially if not put together properly.

I think a CM 2.4m dish will outperform a CM 1.8m dish, but not by as much as you would expect because of the above.

Hope that's clearer.

STICK

london-guy · 03-09-06, 05:48 PM

thank you BGunaStick you made very clear

satsid · 06-09-06, 12:57 AM

(I think a CM 2.4m dish will outperform a CM 1.8m dish, but not by as much as you would expect because of the above.)hi stick & london guy i was told this from andrews,but i think you find hard to get to them say this or admit this.that why i said make your own mind if true or not lol.the Gibi 1.5 will not beat a channel master.hence the name channel master.no off set dish will beat them.as a feedhunter signel is everything to me.i did a hell of alot of reading up on this first,then made my mind up what to by.hope this helps out & sorry its been awhile before i can back.
sid

01-09-06, 10:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
$ly Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out There Posts: 496 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London Short run of CT125, matched feedhorn and something with good ears like a Technomate and he won't be too far off I reckon. L.

01-09-06, 11:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,609 Thanks: 3 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London Tasty sounding project isn't it? __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W

02-09-06, 06:09 AM	#23 (permalink)
satsid Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London hi guys think i better come in here.i have a 1.8 channel master with c120 feedhorn.im a bit more noth than you,so you should get a bit more signel then me with a 1.8 channel master dish.here goes on what i see.i get all the verts no problems @7 west.hor is different,i can get these only in good wether and @ night only.now onto the 2.4 channel master dish.there was a report a good while back that the 1.8 channel master beat the 2.4 channel master for signel.why i guess is the 2.4 comes in 2 halfs.the 1.8 channel master is a 1 peace dish all in one.iv never tested this as i dont have a 2.4 dish,so take what you want as true here.now with my 1.8 channel master i use a heavey dutey jack 24 inch,this gives me a great veiw of the ark & is strong enough 2 hold the dish good.for receiver if i was you i would go for a receiver that has a very good tuner init.the tm5500 dapci works very well on this setup.iv used other receivers for signel as i have many.none beat this 1.channel master dishes are the best off set dish you can by,but there not cheep.hope this puts you on the right lines.also other dishes of the same size might not get as good signel gain.be warned. all the best. from. sid.

02-09-06, 06:19 AM	#24 (permalink)
satsid Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London a quick ps here.london-guy look here & your see my dish. http://www.satellitehelp.co.uk/forum...p?topic=1159.0

02-09-06, 07:25 PM	#25 (permalink)
london-guy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London hi satsid thanks for your concern i did not see the picture of your dish it was a picture of a small dish with many lnbs looks great one of the guys in the forum said that Gibertini dishes perforum more than channels master also in the website of Gibertini they said that 1.50 cms do as good as 1.80 in channel master do you think that's right thanks for all of you guys you are really a good help


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02-09-06, 07:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,609 Thanks: 3 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London Ahh, don't believe all you read in the brochures. I think the Gibi 1.5 might get close, but I doubt it will quite match it. It would be a fascinating shoot-out though. I think it comes down to what you can get away with installing. I don't know what your circumstances are exactly. Here's a picture of Sid's Channel Master from the other thread, a fantastic dish... It's very true that once you get to a certain size and have to introduce split dishes or petalised dishes for reasons of transport and erection, you instantly lose some of the advantage of the extra size. I think it's also true to say that the bigger dishes perform better, just not in a linear fashion. Otherwise they wouldn't make them __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W

03-09-06, 10:36 AM	#27 (permalink)
london-guy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London thank you for the picture BGunaSTICK the dish looks great i did not understand what do you mean by this dear (It's very true that once you get to a certain size and have to introduce split dishes or petalised dishes for reasons of transport and erection, you instantly lose some of the advantage of the extra size ) do you have to have a planning permissiom to install such a big dish

03-09-06, 12:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,609 Thanks: 3 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London Yes, you have to have planning permission for any dish over 1m nominal diameter. See: http://www.satellitehelp.co.uk/forum...php?topic=16.0 You could of course take a chance an see if someone complains. You might get away with it, but if not, the authorities will probably just come and tell you to take it down. What I meant by my comment above follows on from what Sid was saying. He said that the CM 2.4m had reportedly performed worse in tests than the CM 1.8m. He put this down to the fact that the bigger dish comes in two halves, which you have to bolt together. The manufacturers do that to make it easier to transport. Petalised dishes take this concept further. Those dishes are made up of a number of sections, like the petals of a flower. The inaccuracies of having joins all over the dish face, and the otherwise imperfect parabolic surface of the assembled dish face spoils the performance to a certain extent, especially if not put together properly. I think a CM 2.4m dish will outperform a CM 1.8m dish, but not by as much as you would expect because of the above. Hope that's clearer. STICK __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W

03-09-06, 05:48 PM	#29 (permalink)
london-guy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London thank you BGunaStick you made very clear

06-09-06, 12:57 AM	#30 (permalink)
satsid Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nilesat In London (I think a CM 2.4m dish will outperform a CM 1.8m dish, but not by as much as you would expect because of the above.)hi stick & london guy i was told this from andrews,but i think you find hard to get to them say this or admit this.that why i said make your own mind if true or not lol.the Gibi 1.5 will not beat a channel master.hence the name channel master.no off set dish will beat them.as a feedhunter signel is everything to me.i did a hell of alot of reading up on this first,then made my mind up what to by.hope this helps out & sorry its been awhile before i can back. sid