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Analoguesat · 13-01-07, 02:23 PM

Anyone got any suggestions for an 8 way lnb switch known to work with Dreamboxes. With the spring coming thoughts have turned to putting more lnb's on the dishes & generally revamping the installation - especially the 1m dish on 16E which has started sagging badly in all the gales!

nanochickin · 13-01-07, 06:18 PM

I've got an IDTE 8 way switch Ebay Item number 190060511866.

It uses DISEqC 1.1 or 1.2 Protocol so it should work. When i last asked Stick about them he seemed to think it would work with the Dreambox although he wasn't sure about it working with my TMS 1500 CI+

I've not tested it yet on my installation as i have only just managed to get the other lnbs put onto the dishes this afternoon and i have still to wire them in. I should know tomorrow if it doesn't rain

BGonaSTICK · 13-01-07, 09:59 PM

As far as I'm aware, you have to go via an uncommitted switch first (i.e.closest to the receiver) and then onto standard committed 4-way switches (closest to the dish). I can only assume that the switch Nano has is a combination of the two internally.

Search the forum for 'uncommitted' - you'll find some info I posted a while back.

nanochickin · 13-01-07, 10:29 PM

This is whats on the switch (GOTO nn SWITCH S. 168)

Input 1:-Commited A Uncomitted B POS A OPT A
Input 2:-Commited B Uncomitted A POS B OPT A
Input 3:-Commited C Uncomitted A POS A OPT B
Input 4:-Commited D Uncomitted A POS B OPT B
Input 5:-Commited A Uncomitted B
Input 6:-Commited B Uncomitted B
Input 7:-Commited C Uncomitted B
Input 8:-Commited D Uncomitted B
Output 950-2300 MHz

Dont know if this helps :?

Analoguesat · 13-01-07, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanochickin

Dont know if this helps :?

Its confused the hell out of me!

BGonaSTICK · 14-01-07, 01:48 AM

It indicates to me very strongly that it's exactly what I suggested - an internal stack of three switches.

An uncommitted switch (logically closest to the receiver) which can either be in position A or B. On each of those two ports is a further standard 4-way DiSEqC switch - AKA committed switch giving a 2 x 4 = 8 configuration.

All you then need is a receiver which can not only say 'use committed port A, B, C or D' - which is what any DiSEqC V1.1 receiver will do - but to be able to say:

Use uncommitted port A, wait until it's switched, and then issue the standard use committed port A, B, C or D to command the standard switch beyond the uncommitted one.

Most receivers don't have that capability. You basically need to stack the commands to match the stacked switch arrangement, a bit like points on a railway track.

Goddit?

This is all a heap of crap in my opinion, because DiSEqC wasn't designed to work this way originally.

As I understand it, every functional DiSEqC component connected between the receiver's output and the various LNBs not only has an assigned 'type' (motor, switch etc.) but also a unique identifier, a bit like an IP address or MAC address if you like.

Then you could just address each component individually and send it a command.

Oi, motor 2! Get your arse over to 19.2E!

Or

Switch 4! We'll have you on Hotbird please!

Every component not specifically addressed would just ignore the command.

That's my interpretation, having read the DiSEqC standard. The standard itself sucks too BTW. A real rush-job by the look of it, and the worst part being that hardware manufacturers just adopt the bit that concerns them with little or no regard for compatibility with anything else!

I'm not one for bureaucracy, but strict enforcement of such a standard (once it was re-written properly, of course) would do the satellite-tweaking public a massive favour.

IMO, within 10 years none of this will matter, because events will overtake this technology, and most of our satellite TV will come via IP or its replacement. Still partly over satellite, but dressed in different clothes.

I think that's why nobody gives a ****. Dead man walking and all that.

Sorry, did you ask a question?!?!

nanochickin · 14-01-07, 11:28 PM

Nah don't work with a TMS 1500 CI+ >

BGonaSTICK · 15-01-07, 12:45 AM

I didn't think so

When you get your Dreambox, you would set it up on the following screen.

Analoguesat · 28-01-07, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

especially the 1m dish on 16E which has started sagging badly in all the gales!

"Temporary" repair - Ive shoved a 4 foot long plank under the mount which has pushed it up level again!

13-01-07, 02:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
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13-01-07, 06:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
nanochickin Satellite Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Today i'll be mostly cleaning up the forum Posts: 3,578 Thanks: 16 Thanked 144 Times in 127 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch I've got an IDTE 8 way switch Ebay Item number 190060511866. It uses DISEqC 1.1 or 1.2 Protocol so it should work. When i last asked Stick about them he seemed to think it would work with the Dreambox although he wasn't sure about it working with my TMS 1500 CI+ I've not tested it yet on my installation as i have only just managed to get the other lnbs put onto the dishes this afternoon and i have still to wire them in. I should know tomorrow if it doesn't rain __________________ Dreambox 7020Si, 1m Orbital Dish, Triax Quad 0.2dB lnb, Technomate SG2200 Motor. Dreambox 600PVR & Technomate TM9100 Super I'm a Sat mod I know knob all about cable. Please don't PM me to ask about cable Keys

13-01-07, 09:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,632 Thanks: 3 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch As far as I'm aware, you have to go via an uncommitted switch first (i.e.closest to the receiver) and then onto standard committed 4-way switches (closest to the dish). I can only assume that the switch Nano has is a combination of the two internally. Search the forum for 'uncommitted' - you'll find some info I posted a while back. __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W

13-01-07, 10:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
nanochickin Satellite Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Today i'll be mostly cleaning up the forum Posts: 3,578 Thanks: 16 Thanked 144 Times in 127 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch This is whats on the switch (GOTO nn SWITCH S. 168) Input 1:-Commited A Uncomitted B POS A OPT A Input 2:-Commited B Uncomitted A POS B OPT A Input 3:-Commited C Uncomitted A POS A OPT B Input 4:-Commited D Uncomitted A POS B OPT B Input 5:-Commited A Uncomitted B Input 6:-Commited B Uncomitted B Input 7:-Commited C Uncomitted B Input 8:-Commited D Uncomitted B Output 950-2300 MHz Dont know if this helps :? __________________ Dreambox 7020Si, 1m Orbital Dish, Triax Quad 0.2dB lnb, Technomate SG2200 Motor. Dreambox 600PVR & Technomate TM9100 Super I'm a Sat mod I know knob all about cable. Please don't PM me to ask about cable Keys

14-01-07, 01:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,632 Thanks: 3 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch It indicates to me very strongly that it's exactly what I suggested - an internal stack of three switches. An uncommitted switch (logically closest to the receiver) which can either be in position A or B. On each of those two ports is a further standard 4-way DiSEqC switch - AKA committed switch giving a 2 x 4 = 8 configuration. All you then need is a receiver which can not only say 'use committed port A, B, C or D' - which is what any DiSEqC V1.1 receiver will do - but to be able to say: Use uncommitted port A, wait until it's switched, and then issue the standard use committed port A, B, C or D to command the standard switch beyond the uncommitted one. Most receivers don't have that capability. You basically need to stack the commands to match the stacked switch arrangement, a bit like points on a railway track. Goddit? This is all a heap of crap in my opinion, because DiSEqC wasn't designed to work this way originally. As I understand it, every functional DiSEqC component connected between the receiver's output and the various LNBs not only has an assigned 'type' (motor, switch etc.) but also a unique identifier, a bit like an IP address or MAC address if you like. Then you could just address each component individually and send it a command. Oi, motor 2! Get your arse over to 19.2E! Or Switch 4! We'll have you on Hotbird please! Every component not specifically addressed would just ignore the command. That's my interpretation, having read the DiSEqC standard. The standard itself sucks too BTW. A real rush-job by the look of it, and the worst part being that hardware manufacturers just adopt the bit that concerns them with little or no regard for compatibility with anything else! I'm not one for bureaucracy, but strict enforcement of such a standard (once it was re-written properly, of course) would do the satellite-tweaking public a massive favour. IMO, within 10 years none of this will matter, because events will overtake this technology, and most of our satellite TV will come via IP or its replacement. Still partly over satellite, but dressed in different clothes. I think that's why nobody gives a ****. Dead man walking and all that. Sorry, did you ask a question?!?! __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W


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14-01-07, 11:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
nanochickin Satellite Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Today i'll be mostly cleaning up the forum Posts: 3,578 Thanks: 16 Thanked 144 Times in 127 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch Nah don't work with a TMS 1500 CI+ > __________________ Dreambox 7020Si, 1m Orbital Dish, Triax Quad 0.2dB lnb, Technomate SG2200 Motor. Dreambox 600PVR & Technomate TM9100 Super I'm a Sat mod I know knob all about cable. Please don't PM me to ask about cable Keys

15-01-07, 12:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
BGonaSTICK Super Murderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 10,632 Thanks: 3 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 8 way lnb switch I didn't think so When you get your Dreambox, you would set it up on the following screen. __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W