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Unknown user #1 · 24-09-07, 10:53 PM

Germany's upper house of parliament on Friday approved a controversial copyright law, which makes it all but illegal for individuals to make copies of films and music, even for their own use.

The Bundesrat pushed aside criticism from consumer protection groups and passed the law, which makes it illegal for anyone to store DVDs and CDs without permission. The law also covers digital copies from IPTV and TV broadcasts.

Consumer groups and the Green Party had campaigned in vain to include an exemption, so that the measure would not criminalize youths and other private users. The law is set to take effect in 2008.

The law goes beyond previous legislation brought in by the government to help the entertainment industry. Germany's federal justice minister Brigitte Zypris claimed that the legislative reform brought Germany into line with European Union codes.

Variety

Is this true or just scaremongering?

RocketMBA · 24-09-07, 10:55 PM

I believe we already have a similar law here. Better burn your cassette tape recordings of Radio 1, guys

Jimdefruit · 24-09-07, 10:59 PM

If it is law here then sky are in for a shock because all their pvr receivers will be illegal. Yet another unworkable law.

Unknown user #1 · 24-09-07, 11:09 PM

RocketMBA

Cassettes are safe unless you're one of the few who bought DAT back then.

The law is about digital recording.

Jimdefruit

I guess by "recording" they mean something you can have for a prolonged period of time or indefinitely. Like if you copy video from your dreambox and make DVD off it.

Robbo · 24-09-07, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRookie

Germany's upper house of parliament on Friday approved a controversial copyright law, which makes it all but illegal for individuals to make copies of films and music, even for their own use.

The Bundesrat pushed aside criticism from consumer protection groups and passed the law, which makes it illegal for anyone to store DVDs and CDs without permission. The law also covers digital copies from IPTV and TV broadcasts.

Consumer groups and the Green Party had campaigned in vain to include an exemption, so that the measure would not criminalize youths and other private users. The law is set to take effect in 2008.

The law goes beyond previous legislation brought in by the government to help the entertainment industry. Germany's federal justice minister Brigitte Zypris claimed that the legislative reform brought Germany into line with European Union codes.

Variety

Is this true or just scaremongering?

I have just read an article on boingboing.net where they are saying that it's not illegal at all, the story has just been mis-reported.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/21...s-all-mus.html

Unknown user #1 · 24-09-07, 11:21 PM

I hope it is! 'Coz if it isn't then it could be a serious problem.

BGonaSTICK · 25-09-07, 12:37 AM

Nah. It's unworkable if it's true.

The bit about analogue and digital is daft as well if it's correct, because people will just convert everything to analogue and stop the German digitalisation program dead in it's tracks!

kerrywez · 28-09-07, 03:45 PM

I wonder how many brown envelopes were slipped to the "Honourable Members" to get it passed? A few thousand here and there would be nothing from the treasure chests of those that it will benefit. But it has always been illegal I thought. Just a thought.

Regards Wez

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Unknown user #1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 536 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Video recorders are illegal in Germany Germany's upper house of parliament on Friday approved a controversial copyright law, which makes it all but illegal for individuals to make copies of films and music, even for their own use. The Bundesrat pushed aside criticism from consumer protection groups and passed the law, which makes it illegal for anyone to store DVDs and CDs without permission. The law also covers digital copies from IPTV and TV broadcasts. Consumer groups and the Green Party had campaigned in vain to include an exemption, so that the measure would not criminalize youths and other private users. The law is set to take effect in 2008. The law goes beyond previous legislation brought in by the government to help the entertainment industry. Germany's federal justice minister Brigitte Zypris claimed that the legislative reform brought Germany into line with European Union codes. Variety Is this true or just scaremongering?

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RocketMBA As fun as having the flu Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: A cardboard box Posts: 626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany I believe we already have a similar law here. Better burn your cassette tape recordings of Radio 1, guys

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Jimdefruit Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,858 Thanks: 20 Thanked 221 Times in 187 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany If it is law here then sky are in for a shock because all their pvr receivers will be illegal. Yet another unworkable law. __________________ Dreambox 800 HD; Dreambox 7000s + VBox + Channel Master 1.2 with 36v actuator CM120 feedhorn and Invacom .3 LNB Skystar 2 PCI card with links to my Dreamboxes If you like what you see here, tell your friends.

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Unknown user #1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 536 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany RocketMBA Cassettes are safe unless you're one of the few who bought DAT back then. The law is about digital recording. Jimdefruit I guess by "recording" they mean something you can have for a prolonged period of time or indefinitely. Like if you copy video from your dreambox and make DVD off it.

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Unknown user #1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 536 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany I hope it is! 'Coz if it isn't then it could be a serious problem.

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BGonaSTICK Dodgy Geezer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 9,718 Thanks: 3 Thanked 166 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany Nah. It's unworkable if it's true. The bit about analogue and digital is daft as well if it's correct, because people will just convert everything to analogue and stop the German digitalisation program dead in it's tracks! __________________ Dreambox 7000, Skystar2 PCI, Skystar USB, Fibo 90cm on Moteck SG2100, Triax TD110 multi-LNB. Sky + ART cards. 45.0°E - 58.0°W

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kerrywez Grumpy Old Sat Man Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Co. Kerry, Ireland Posts: 2,471 Thanks: 2,973 Thanked 639 Times in 505 Posts	Re: Video recorders are illegal in Germany I wonder how many brown envelopes were slipped to the "Honourable Members" to get it passed? A few thousand here and there would be nothing from the treasure chests of those that it will benefit. But it has always been illegal I thought. Just a thought. Regards Wez __________________ Dreambox 7025, 250HDD, Dreambox 500s, 110 X 90Cm Hirschmann on Clarketech rotor, 1.2 Mtr. Channel Master. AZBox HD Running on E2. TM6900 super combo.