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sockdip · 08-03-08, 11:47 PM

Hi yall,

Im about to dip my newbie toes into the warm inviting waters of satellite for enthusiasts!!

Im reading **ALOT**!

But tell me this, if I purchased a CAM (dragon 4 example), could I put this into the CI slot in the rear of my TV to recieve channels without a satellite reciever?

e.g.setanta? top up tv?

Hope this isnt too laughable!!

Cheers all in advance.

Mark.

Mickha · 09-03-08, 12:00 AM

The simple answer is No.

robbo71 · 09-03-08, 12:03 AM

Hi, Mark.

You need a satellite receiver, and a dish, preferably a motorised one to make the best use of such a CAM.

Robbo

sockdip · 09-03-08, 07:43 PM

Okay,

thanks for the responses chaps,

But what is the TV CI slot used for then?

robbo71 · 09-03-08, 07:55 PM

It is for Top Up Tv, for Digital Terrestrial Broadcasts. I don't have DTT so I don't know any more.

sockdip · 10-03-08, 06:50 PM

But don't Top up TV and the likes of Setanta use the same conditional access encryption as the satellite channels irrespective of the transmission medium?

Does the fact that its a terrestrial broadcast as opposed to a satellite broadcast make any difference to the decryption at the consumer end?

Setanta is setanta whether it is broadcast via satellite or terrestrial is it not? If I call Setanta for a legit CAM, do they ask me if I'm gonna put it in my TV CI slot or my Satellite receiver?

There must be more to this than I understand currently but I need to know!

"Johnny 5 need input!"

robbo71 · 10-03-08, 10:41 PM

Setanta via satellite is encrypted in NDS videoguard as it uses the Sky platform.

The setanta CAM for DTT uses something else, not sure what, I think it's seca 2.

So no, the encryptions for satellite and DTT are not the same.

Yes, call Sentana, or go to their website and they will ask you how you intend viewing it:-Satellite,cable or DTT.

sockdip · 11-03-08, 05:53 AM

Cheers Robbo,

Now Im getting somewhere!

But a Dragon CAM will decrypt SECA II will it not? (ie decrypt DTT Setanta?)

08-03-08, 11:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
sockdip Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Complete Newbie Question!! Hi yall, Im about to dip my newbie toes into the warm inviting waters of satellite for enthusiasts!! Im reading ALOT! But tell me this, if I purchased a CAM (dragon 4 example), could I put this into the CI slot in the rear of my TV to recieve channels without a satellite reciever? e.g.setanta? top up tv? Hope this isnt too laughable!! Cheers all in advance. Mark.

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Mickha Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,491 Thanks: 5 Thanked 185 Times in 160 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! The simple answer is No.

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robbo71 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 4,777 Thanks: 22 Thanked 422 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! Hi, Mark. You need a satellite receiver, and a dish, preferably a motorised one to make the best use of such a CAM. Robbo __________________ كيبل اعضاء البلهاء TM6800,TM1000D.Triax TD110 on STABHH-90 motor.Orbital 1m on Moteck motor+2 x minidishes DigitAlb movie package. Electronics Engineer and satellite installer.

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sockdip Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! Okay, thanks for the responses chaps, But what is the TV CI slot used for then?

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robbo71 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 4,777 Thanks: 22 Thanked 422 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! It is for Top Up Tv, for Digital Terrestrial Broadcasts. I don't have DTT so I don't know any more. __________________ كيبل اعضاء البلهاء TM6800,TM1000D.Triax TD110 on STABHH-90 motor.Orbital 1m on Moteck motor+2 x minidishes DigitAlb movie package. Electronics Engineer and satellite installer.


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10-03-08, 06:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
sockdip Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! But don't Top up TV and the likes of Setanta use the same conditional access encryption as the satellite channels irrespective of the transmission medium? Does the fact that its a terrestrial broadcast as opposed to a satellite broadcast make any difference to the decryption at the consumer end? Setanta is setanta whether it is broadcast via satellite or terrestrial is it not? If I call Setanta for a legit CAM, do they ask me if I'm gonna put it in my TV CI slot or my Satellite receiver? There must be more to this than I understand currently but I need to know! "Johnny 5 need input!" Last edited by sockdip; 10-03-08 at 06:53 PM.

10-03-08, 10:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
robbo71 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 4,777 Thanks: 22 Thanked 422 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! Setanta via satellite is encrypted in NDS videoguard as it uses the Sky platform. The setanta CAM for DTT uses something else, not sure what, I think it's seca 2. So no, the encryptions for satellite and DTT are not the same. Yes, call Sentana, or go to their website and they will ask you how you intend viewing it:-Satellite,cable or DTT. __________________ كيبل اعضاء البلهاء TM6800,TM1000D.Triax TD110 on STABHH-90 motor.Orbital 1m on Moteck motor+2 x minidishes DigitAlb movie package. Electronics Engineer and satellite installer.

11-03-08, 05:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
sockdip Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Complete Newbie Question!! Cheers Robbo, Now Im getting somewhere! But a Dragon CAM will decrypt SECA II will it not? (ie decrypt DTT Setanta?)

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