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[LesAshmore]

Hi Mike, Glad to hear you are up and running again, I use a Usb so I cannot advise you on the CF although I am not aware of anyone else having a problem with it, I must also admit that nearly everything I do I do via HDD so on these two I am not in a an experienced enough position to advise, As far as the keys are concerned I use the key downloader/loader that is built into the Blue panel, if you go to the plug ins you will see a plug in for cccam info if you install this it will then let you run it and thereby access the Satan keys and download and install them in one go, I have used these all the time although I have now acquired a Diablo cam and this tends to neutralize the need to download keys as the cam tends to have many AU keys loaded onboard when you update it.

[LesAshmore]

Just one other thing Mike, I was informed that the 7025 requires a special HDD I actually purchased one that is designed for the job from satellitesuperstore.com and have had no problem whatsoever.

[mike4727]

Hi Les,

thanks again for latest info, the HD I have removed is a Samsung, can I ask which model you have ?
Thanks for the tip on keys via blue panel, I will try that right now.
What function does the usb stick have Les and what do I have to do with it other than plug it in the rear of the box, sounds very thick I know but I just can't get this info anywhere.

Mike

[LesAshmore]

Hi Mike, Sorry for late reply but I went out last night and had a few Jack's, The usb is basically used for storage, ie backup of your settings etc, you would need to set it up in your settings, it also saves picons etc but to put it simply its a backup centre,
Now we come to the hard drive, I will paste you what is stated about the hard drive Dreambox themselves state it should be an "AV" drive and this is what these are :-

Ideal for the Dreambox 7025 or other hard drive ready receivers.
Specially selected cool running AV model.
Notes, This is not a computer drive and cannot be bought from computer stores or
on-line computer suppliers. It is an AV drive developed for digital AV recording
applications. These drives are normally only supplied to the big manufacturers of
DVD writers, digital VCRs, satellite receiver PVRs, security digital time shift recorders etc.
These drives have been specially designed for AV use offering cool running high video
recording performance and as such tend to be a little more expensive than computer
"data recording" hard drives. The problem with normal computer (data) drives is that
they can pixillate or produce freezing while playback, or fail completely
resulting in valuable recordings are lost! or produce too much heat.
These excellent AV drives are inside all of our PVR Dreambox 7025-SI that we sell and as
such are thoroughly tried and tested and sold in large numbers without any problems at all.
Yes it is easy to fit a hard drive yourself later on if you buy the hard drive ready 7025,
just unplug from the mains supply, take the lid off, fit with 4 screws and connect the lead,
exactly the same process as fitting a hard drive in a computer but please fit only at a
static-safe work station as all hard drives contain static sensitive components and
can be damaged if anti-static precautions are not taken. Hard drives also needs formatting
and this is done in the receivers menu system once fitted.
Using any old drive "lying around" is not a good idea!
UK Customers. Choose the £7.50 small item priority shipping option.
International. Choose an international option.
Availability : In stock and ready for immediate shipping.
Order code, 250DREA
£89.95
as stated I purchased mine from satellitesuperstore.co.uk and it is on the dreambox 7025 page

[Jimdefruit]

If you believe that you will believe anything.

Like their embedded Dragon type cam.

[LesAshmore]

It appears I have been under some misconception as to what "dreamy super moderators" actions should be, I would have thought that a person with such a position should refrain from sarcastic comments and only make comments that are helpful, I assume that you are making a comment about satellitesuperstore.co.uk and not the last post that I made, I can only make this statement, when I first got my 7025 "without" a hard drive I installed a good quality hard drive from a computer because I at that time was not in a position to "know" about different drives and so on, I made requests for help and advice on various forums and all I got was "sarcastic" comments and bad advice from various individuals who had not got or even experienced a DM7025, I attached the HDD and it failed to function correctly and in doing so caused me a lot of problems, In the end I contacted Dreambox and they advised me to install a recommended HDD with AV compatibility I scoured the net and found some that were very expensive £200 + in the end from another forum somebody told me to look at satellitesuperstore.co.uk I did and in doing so I purchased a hard drive from them and installed it, since then I have installed several from them and in every case they are all working 100%, Unlike some others I will only post advice or help on subjects that I can help with and what I am 100 % confident is the truth and that I have personal experience with, I am also aware that this may not be thoughts of other individuals who have other types of DVB units, In example I would not attempt to give any advice whatsoever to someone asking about say a DM 7020 because I am aware it is nothing like a 7025, and also if I saw such comments or advice given by other individuals I would not make sarcastic meaningless comments, but I would explain what I meant.

Please explain what you mean !!!!!!!!!

If you mean there is not an embedded cam I would have thought the following, Now this I am not 100% confident of but it is how I would have interpreted that statement, "With embedded Dragon type cam" now I have a dragon cam 4.6, and to make this work you have to install "Keys", on the 7025 there are cams and "keys" have to be installed and the facility is there to do that, So I personally would have thought that is what is meant by "embedded Dragon type cam" if I am wrong please help me to understand this by explaining what is the difference as I do want to learn more.

[Jimdefruit]

Les you get me totally wrong. Not one of my comments was sarcastic. They were completely serious observations.

Embedded means hardware or chip coded. The Dreambox is software driven and the cams are all software and not installed unless the user installs them. The Common Interface unit is the only hardware item and is totally superfluous to the Dreambox cam systems unless you want to insert a Dragon Cam or similar.

DMM produced a list of hard drives that had been tested and were suitable for use in the 7000 dreamboxes. Those drives are perfectly acceptable for use in AV recording pvrs and since then a whole lot more hard drives are ok without any pixellating problems. If you open up most pvr units you will find hard drives that are identical to the units used in PCs.

I am not influenced by the rubbish put out in advertising web sites and literature. It is there to get you to buy their products.

DMM have put IDE and SATA interfaces into their receivers to accept IDE and SATA drives and many Dreambox owners are using standard drives made by Western Digital, Samsung, and many others with no problems whatsoever.

From the specifications, the 7025 is no different whatsoever although I dont have one and have no intention of getting one.

[LesAshmore]

Thank you, That has helped me incredibly and I am not being sarcastic about that, Yes I am aware that all types of advertising can be taken with much of a pinch of salt and such as I (not an expert) are sometimes conned by things that are written or advertised, Now knowing this I will be able to make my obseravtions in the future, once again thank you.
I must admit that is what I thought originally, I was under the impression that a Dreambox is basically (very) a Mac computer and that all these cams etc were loaded, now I know the difference, Brilliant. What I would ask now is what could have been the reason for my original HDD problems, and I dont expect you to be able to answer that as I am aware that an inspection and investigation would be needed to do that, I used the Drive afterwards in a PC and it was fine, But No Problem I now have my dreambox with a drive in that works, Maybe I was a bit ignorant at the time about it but now I know.

[Jimdefruit]

Les, dont get me wrong, I am not saying that there are not hard drives designed for AV applications. AV application hard drives are quoted as being lower power and lower sound output and designed for more arm travel to improve wear and hence life.

However, the major difference is in sound output but sound is not generally a problem in good quality hard drives.

The statement that AV hard drives are lower power consumption is rather strange when you compare AV and non-AV hard drives and find that the AV models are approximately 10% higher in power consumption.

I think the hard drive world is following the HD, global warming and green band waggon. A bit more badge engineering in an effort to attracting the buyer.

[LesAshmore]

I must admit here that we are now getting too technical for my understanding, I did not look at such things as that, I took advice from an individual whom I assumed knew more than me, and then when I found a drive that was stated as such I then investigated that drive and it was confirmed that it was designed to do what I wanted ie Record sound and vision, I didnt look too deeply into the sound quality etc, maybe I am a bit too trusting on some things and that is the main reason for coming on to forums to try and learn after all everybody started somewhere, I wish I could have found out what I have learned here today when I was looking for advice it would have saved me spending probably more money than I should have, But I dont suppose £89 is too bad after all there were sites asking for £200 or more for the same drive, Now if I had purchased one of those I would have been pee'd of right, I hope Mike is keeping an eye on these posts so he will also learn.