7020 v 7025

[CBAND]

Can anyone please help/advise. I am not an expert nor very computer literate so please nothing too technical !
My problem is simple. I have the 7020 and am happy with it. My friend flashed it with PLI. The main menu setup offers a choice between satellites and bouquets I can chose bouquets and edit everything...channels and bouquets with deletion and renaming very simple and easy.. Really great.
I have now bought a 7025. My friend flashed it with Gemini 2. I am very disappointed. The main menu setup only has satellites search ....no bouquets or services ! I have tried for 3 days to find the service (channel) edit menu without success .
I therefore requested my friend to flash the 7025 with PLI which has just come out, in the hope the menus will be the same or similar to those I have on the 7020.
Now my friend has warned me that were he to flash the 7025 with PLI , this may not solve the problem and get me the menus I want (ie those of the PLI 7020 ) as other factors such as the Enigma gui are an important decider in the menus one will get.
Can anyone please be kind enough to advise.
Were my friend to reflash my 7025 with PLI, will I get my PLI 7020 menus and functions ? If not how do I access the channel and sat editing functions with the 7025 Enigma 2 ?
Many thanks in anticipation.
ps I am in Thailand where neither the 7020 nor the 7025 is sold so I am relying on someone in Europe to advise me .

[nanochickin]

Try and download the newest LT4 image. Much better than Gemini and Pli



Nano

[CBAND]

Sounds great Nano.
In the menu of the LT4 image , can one actually find functions buttons/ screens that permit the user to put together and edit one's bouquets and services (channels ) just like one can with almost every image on the dm 500 and dm 720 ?
[By edit I mean move, delete, rename]
Many thanks

[nanochickin]

Have a look at this, its easier than trying to explain everything it has

YouTube - NEW LT IMAGE FOURTH REVOLUTION



Nano

[CBAND]

Thanks but since I received the info from you, I have tried many times to view this clip bit I just get circular dots and not the clip !
I left it for over an hour and it did still did not load.
May I enquire as to whether it loads from where you are ? I am in Thailand.

[robbo71]

Yes, I can confirm, it plays OK here in the UK.

I wish I hadn't watched it now, it makes me want to get a Dreambox.

[LesAshmore]

Originally Posted by CBAND

Can anyone please help/advise. I am not an expert nor very computer literate so please nothing too technical !
My problem is simple. I have the 7020 and am happy with it. My friend flashed it with PLI. The main menu setup offers a choice between satellites and bouquets I can chose bouquets and edit everything...channels and bouquets with deletion and renaming very simple and easy.. Really great.
I have now bought a 7025. My friend flashed it with Gemini 2. I am very disappointed. The main menu setup only has satellites search ....no bouquets or services ! I have tried for 3 days to find the service (channel) edit menu without success .
I therefore requested my friend to flash the 7025 with PLI which has just come out, in the hope the menus will be the same or similar to those I have on the 7020.
Now my friend has warned me that were he to flash the 7025 with PLI , this may not solve the problem and get me the menus I want (ie those of the PLI 7020 ) as other factors such as the Enigma gui are an important decider in the menus one will get.
Can anyone please be kind enough to advise.
Were my friend to reflash my 7025 with PLI, will I get my PLI 7020 menus and functions ? If not how do I access the channel and sat editing functions with the 7025 Enigma 2 ?
Many thanks in anticipation.
ps I am in Thailand where neither the 7020 nor the 7025 is sold so I am relying on someone in Europe to advise me .

I think the Gemini 3.3 is far superior to PLI or in fact any other on the 7025, To control the bouquets you use your menu button whilst on the channels or you can control your bouquets design and contents by using an extra programme called dreamboxedit, I have loaded PLI I have loaded LT 4 and I always go back to Gemini, once you are used to it it is far superior to these others "In my opinion" with gemini there are benefits like selecting which cam on which channel etc, when you are on a satelite press down arrow and this brings up the channels press your menu button whilst this channel list is on then by selecting which channel you want to add to your bouquets you select it and then select which bouquet you want to add it to, also you can then add or edit bouquets, If you want any more help dont hesitate to ask, when selecting many things on the 7025 and then selecting the menu button it expands to give many other functions.

[CBAND]

Many thanks Les,

May I please ask three questions re the Gemini ?

1. Is there any way after all the editing has been done on the pc and uploaded to the 7025 ,the channel editing and renaming can be altered "in box " without having to use ones pc which may be a long distance away.

2. The screen on my 7025 image opens and shows Gp 2 ...does this mean I have an older version of Gemini ?
Should the screen show Gp 3 ?

3. MANUAL SEARCH.

Is the following not a serious error with Gemini image ?

With Gemini one can enter a transponder frequency manually then press OK for search but the screen that does this, has no signal strength meter or lock function .
For testing signal strength one uses another screen called Satfinder
but they are not together on the one screen.

With PLI the manual search screen has a signal strength meter
on the screen and one can check if there is lock then search.

Why I raise this matter is an actual problem.
I wish to receive all the channels on transponder 12301 H on Agila.
Using PLI I enter 12301 see there is signal lock so press the search button and all the channels come up successfully.

With the Gemini manual search I enter 12301 and Agila ,do the search and "no channels found" comes up !
I go to Satfinder screen, enter 12301 and it shows lock !

There is clearly a fault somewhere ...perhaps its on the wrong satellite BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR ME TO CHECK as the search screen has no signal strength / lock screen . .
If the Gemini manual search screen showed signal strength/lock as PLI does , this would make things a lot easier. Do you not agree ?

Your replies to the above three questions would be most helpful.
Thank you

[LesAshmore]

Originally Posted by CBAND

Many thanks Les,

May I please ask three questions re the Gemini ?

1. Is there any way after all the editing has been done on the pc and uploaded to the 7025 ,the channel editing and renaming can be altered "in box " without having to use ones pc which may be a long distance away.

2. The screen on my 7025 image opens and shows Gp 2 ...does this mean I have an older version of Gemini ?
Should the screen show Gp 3 ?

3. MANUAL SEARCH.

Is the following not a serious error with Gemini image ?

With Gemini one can enter a transponder frequency manually then press OK for search but the screen that does this, has no signal strength meter or lock function .
For testing signal strength one uses another screen called Satfinder
but they are not together on the one screen.

With PLI the manual search screen has a signal strength meter
on the screen and one can check if there is lock then search.

Why I raise this matter is an actual problem.
I wish to receive all the channels on transponder 12301 H on Agila.
Using PLI I enter 12301 see there is signal lock so press the search button and all the channels come up successfully.

With the Gemini manual search I enter 12301 and Agila ,do the search and "no channels found" comes up !
I go to Satfinder screen, enter 12301 and it shows lock !

There is clearly a fault somewhere ...perhaps its on the wrong satellite BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR ME TO CHECK as the search screen has no signal strength / lock screen . .
If the Gemini manual search screen showed signal strength/lock as PLI does , this would make things a lot easier. Do you not agree ?

Your replies to the above three questions would be most helpful.
Thank you

Hi
I will try to answer your questions in order as asked.

1, Usually there is no need to edit the frequency etc after they are stored in the system so I am not sure on that one, I actually edited all mine on a computer then uploaded them and not touched them since.

2. No, The start up screen shows G 2 on all versions this is Gemini V2 and what you need is the image version 3.3, what you need to do is enter "menu" then "information" then "about" and the top two items should show the recent dates of the software ie 2008 if they do then you should be Ok.

3, Manual search, Unfortunately with the Gemini on the 7025 it is not quite that simple, The main reason is because it is a far more technical set than previous units and because it has double Tuners, What you need to do is firstly set your satellite dish up via the setup screen, I take it you have a static sat dish, what you need to do is enter "menu" then "Setup" then "Service Searching" then "Tuner Config" then you need to select your sat tuner usually this is "Alps" then this will bring a screen up from that screen the top item should be "Config" this will have either simple or intermeddiatte selected as usual, What you need to do is change this to "Simple" by using the right or left arrow keys, The next item is "Diseqc" you need to change this again by using the right or left arrow keys to "Single" then the next item should be "Satellite" on this you need to select your satellite again by using the right or left arrow keys, Once selected you need to save this setting, if you press exit it will ask if you want to save it "I think", once this is done then exit to the screen that says "Manual Scan" etc, Check that "Single Sat" and your satellite selected correctly press OK if all ok to scan for your channels and settings.

With regards to the signal strength meter you need to change the "Skin" go again to "Menu" then "Setup" then "Skin" you can view them before installing and just select one with a Strength meter on it, and dont forget that your DM7025 shows the signal strength on the set top box display.


P.S Dont forget that you can connect yor DM7025 to the internet very easily and have the ability to do all your own editing etc, This is not hard to do and you could learn very quickly, If you want help just ask

PPS I am assuming that you have just one sat dish and that it is static, ie one satellite, If so and you have twin tuners you need to set both tuners up as described.

[CBAND]

Many thanks for that invaluable info Les. As you know the 7020/7025 are not sold in Thailand so no local help available.
The first two questions fully answered my questions .

Re the third matter concerning the manual search :
unfortunately there is no skin visible on the search screen !
Do you remember by any chance whether any other image for the 7025 has a signal strength/lock meter on the manual search page ?

Now a new point if I may which I have just discovered doing a timer recording which failed.
Unlike the 7020, there does not appear to be any screen to set the correct date and time on the 7025 . Is that true ?
If it's true, the reason may be ...and this is just a guess....that in Europe the time and date is hidden in the transponder data and this sets the date and correct time continually.
Of course this is not the case in Asia on all transponders so the receiver does not get access to the date and correct time automatically .

If one cannot set the correct date and time how can one make a timer recording ? There is indeed a time ZONE function but this will not help with Summer time changes and setting the correct date.
Any ideas Les.
cheers from Bangkok