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safe-cracker · 14-03-09, 02:22 PM

i have install both cards and scanned and recieved 300 and odd channels, however i dont seem to be getting the free to air channels using the floppydtv.

can anyone help?

safe-cracker · 15-03-09, 07:00 PM

come on this is the best forum around, surely someones tried to set both of these up.

im getting the channels via the dvb-t but cant recieve anything including freeview from the floppydtv, it works when i remove the first dvb-t.

anyone any ideas?

TwinTown · 15-03-09, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by safe-cracker

come on this is the best forum around, surely someones tried to set both of these up.

im getting the channels via the dvb-t but cant recieve anything including freeview from the floppydtv, it works when i remove the first dvb-t.

anyone any ideas?

have a read thru this

Tv Pack

safe-cracker · 15-03-09, 08:04 PM

thanks twintown

i cant tell from that thread wether or not you got your dvb-t to work aswell.

any mention on what happened when the guy used his blackgold tuner?

TwinTown · 16-03-09, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by safe-cracker

thanks twintown

i cant tell from that thread wether or not you got your dvb-t to work aswell.

any mention on what happened when the guy used his blackgold tuner?

using 2 dvb-t never worked for me......

safe-cracker · 16-03-09, 02:13 PM

can u get vmc to see the floppy as a a dvb-c? ive tried the bda drivers and it recognises it as a cable card but wont let me scan using it?

anyone any ideas?

Confused Stu · 16-03-09, 04:18 PM

To use the floppy within VMC, you need to use Media Centre or TV Pack drivers - these make the card appear to be a DVB-T card. The BDA drivers are only for other applications (e.g. ProgDVB, DVBDream, etc).

Without the TV Pack installed, Media Centre cannot even see a DVB-C (or DVB-S) card. With the TV Pack installed, Media Centre can use DVB-S fully, but can only use DVB-C to receive unencrypted "ClearQAM" signals. This is why our floppy cards still need to emulate DVB-T cards.

In my case, although I can get Media Centre to recognise DVB-C cards (TT C1501, but also FloppyDTV with BDA drivers tried too) I cannot get it to locate any channels on them. I think this is because ClearQAM only officially exists in America, so either the technology is either slightly different here, or it's recognising a UK post code and so not even trying a scan.

Short version - I don't think you can have a DVB-C card and a DVB-T card working together in Media Centre as it stands with the limitations on DVB-C it has.

safe-cracker · 16-03-09, 07:34 PM

pretty poor show this from microsoft as usual.

i noticed a couple of people are using 2 floppydtvs, i dont understand how thats working if you cant have more than one dvb-c at the same time.

i thought the tv pack let you use 2 of the same tuner ie 2 dvb-s, 2dvb-t, 2 dvb-c?

Confused Stu · 16-03-09, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by safe-cracker

pretty poor show this from microsoft as usual.

i noticed a couple of people are using 2 floppydtvs, i dont understand how thats working if you cant have more than one dvb-c at the same time.

i thought the tv pack let you use 2 of the same tuner ie 2 dvb-s, 2dvb-t, 2 dvb-c?

That's exactly how the TV Pack works. The FloppyDTV's act as DVB-T devices so they're able to decrypt channels - so if you have two of them the PC will think it's fitted with 2 DVB-T cards. If you add an actual DVB-T card then the tuner will see three DVB-T cards but the frequencies will be different on one to the other 2, and I don't think the PC will cope with that.

Don't think it was Microsoft's decision to restrict the DVB-C part of Media Centre to non-encrypted. The amount of clout the US cable companies have is unbelievable - look at the whole legal mess they put up around CableCARD Media Centre's before they'd let Microsoft use it!

Incidentally, just to be accurate - the 2 tuner-per-type limit is only for Home Premium. Ultimate supports up to 4 per type i believe.

safe-cracker · 17-03-09, 01:53 PM

thanks confused stu its becoming a little clearer.

even using vista ultimate we would still have the same problem using floppydtv and a dvb-t because the tuning frequencies will be different. so its either 2 dvb-c or 2 dvb-c's.

so its either a media centre rig with 2 cards able to recieve freeview and record but no encrypted channels

or,

media centre rig with 2 floppydtv's with cams and cards capable of recording plus encrypted channels. (expensive rig).

has anyone tried this windows 7 ive been hearing about? does that help us any further?

14-03-09, 02:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? i have install both cards and scanned and recieved 300 and odd channels, however i dont seem to be getting the free to air channels using the floppydtv. can anyone help?

15-03-09, 07:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? come on this is the best forum around, surely someones tried to set both of these up. im getting the channels via the dvb-t but cant recieve anything including freeview from the floppydtv, it works when i remove the first dvb-t. anyone any ideas?

15-03-09, 08:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? thanks twintown i cant tell from that thread wether or not you got your dvb-t to work aswell. any mention on what happened when the guy used his blackgold tuner?

16-03-09, 02:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? can u get vmc to see the floppy as a a dvb-c? ive tried the bda drivers and it recognises it as a cable card but wont let me scan using it? anyone any ideas?

16-03-09, 04:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Confused Stu Confused but learning Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 310 Thanks: 47 Thanked 89 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? To use the floppy within VMC, you need to use Media Centre or TV Pack drivers - these make the card appear to be a DVB-T card. The BDA drivers are only for other applications (e.g. ProgDVB, DVBDream, etc). Without the TV Pack installed, Media Centre cannot even see a DVB-C (or DVB-S) card. With the TV Pack installed, Media Centre can use DVB-S fully, but can only use DVB-C to receive unencrypted "ClearQAM" signals. This is why our floppy cards still need to emulate DVB-T cards. In my case, although I can get Media Centre to recognise DVB-C cards (TT C1501, but also FloppyDTV with BDA drivers tried too) I cannot get it to locate any channels on them. I think this is because ClearQAM only officially exists in America, so either the technology is either slightly different here, or it's recognising a UK post code and so not even trying a scan. Short version - I don't think you can have a DVB-C card and a DVB-T card working together in Media Centre as it stands with the limitations on DVB-C it has. __________________ Why can't we use paid subscription cards in our DVB-C PCs?

16-03-09, 07:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? pretty poor show this from microsoft as usual. i noticed a couple of people are using 2 floppydtvs, i dont understand how thats working if you cant have more than one dvb-c at the same time. i thought the tv pack let you use 2 of the same tuner ie 2 dvb-s, 2dvb-t, 2 dvb-c?

17-03-09, 01:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
safe-cracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 368 Thanks: 24 Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Getting Floppydtv and Terrestrial Tuner working together? thanks confused stu its becoming a little clearer. even using vista ultimate we would still have the same problem using floppydtv and a dvb-t because the tuning frequencies will be different. so its either 2 dvb-c or 2 dvb-c's. so its either a media centre rig with 2 cards able to recieve freeview and record but no encrypted channels or, media centre rig with 2 floppydtv's with cams and cards capable of recording plus encrypted channels. (expensive rig). has anyone tried this windows 7 ive been hearing about? does that help us any further?