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Satellite News · 14-09-09, 12:40 PM

There have been plenty of cases where publicans and bar owners have been fined for showing foreign satellite TV in the bar for the benefit of their customers, but it seems that there could be a bite back occurring as a landlord appeals his case. Alan Percy, the licensee of the Ridge Farm Pub and Restaurant [...]

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G77 · 14-09-09, 12:51 PM

cool. ignorance is now a valid excuse in the north!

lincsat · 14-09-09, 12:54 PM

That just means that Sky/FA will now send out a mailing to all pubs. The big judgment will be for the use of EU issued subscriptions.

charlie1966 · 14-09-09, 02:15 PM

I don't understand how ignorance of the law is a defense. If I go and shoot someone, I will not get off by saying I didn't know it was against the law.
What am I missing here?

bigtee · 14-09-09, 07:58 PM

It is a case of 'ignorance' of a different kind --- well, sort of. A component of the offence is that the defendant must have used the non=Sky equipment to 'dishonestly' receive "Sky programmes". If you were "ignorant" that using a foreign subscription is receiving "Sky programmes", then you cannot be "dishonest".

The expression "ignorance is no defence" will apply if the defence was that I did not realise it is an offence to watch "Sky programmes" dishonestly. This is different from: "I did not even know I was watching Sky programmes, so I couldn't have been watching dishonestly." Honest, Guv!

G77 · 14-09-09, 08:10 PM

whats television guv?

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Satellite News Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Pub landlord wins satellite TV appeal There have been plenty of cases where publicans and bar owners have been fined for showing foreign satellite TV in the bar for the benefit of their customers, but it seems that there could be a bite back occurring as a landlord appeals his case. Alan Percy, the licensee of the Ridge Farm Pub and Restaurant [...] More: Pub landlord wins satellite TV appeal

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lincsat Super-Dooper Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In front of the PC Posts: 6,003 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2,580 Times in 667 Posts	Re: Pub landlord wins satellite TV appeal That just means that Sky/FA will now send out a mailing to all pubs. The big judgment will be for the use of EU issued subscriptions. __________________ Blade7000 & DM800Pro/SE in Stock, Linux Sat boxes from £52.25, SkyboxF3 under £60. Kryptview £123.50 & SV6 under £72 with Members Discount - Lincsat's Nick-Nacks (Shop) Drivers Protest Union

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charlie1966 GT user and abuser! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Co. Wicklow, Ireland Posts: 498 Thanks: 49 Thanked 108 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Pub landlord wins satellite TV appeal I don't understand how ignorance of the law is a defense. If I go and shoot someone, I will not get off by saying I didn't know it was against the law. What am I missing here? __________________ If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else’s, we’d grab ours back.

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bigtee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 570 Thanks: 13 Thanked 74 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Pub landlord wins satellite TV appeal It is a case of 'ignorance' of a different kind --- well, sort of. A component of the offence is that the defendant must have used the non=Sky equipment to 'dishonestly' receive "Sky programmes". If you were "ignorant" that using a foreign subscription is receiving "Sky programmes", then you cannot be "dishonest". The expression "ignorance is no defence" will apply if the defence was that I did not realise it is an offence to watch "Sky programmes" dishonestly. This is different from: "I did not even know I was watching Sky programmes, so I couldn't have been watching dishonestly." Honest, Guv! __________________ Raven 90 multi lnb 1w, 7, 9, 13, 16, 19 & 28e; 1m Orbital on SG 2100 5e-34w and Various Receivers

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