N3 Read this ?

[howmuch]

Intresting read could there be light at the end of the tunnel and a chance to stick it to the man
setwire
03-10-2009, 12:04 AM
i second that kudelski stated himself that n3 will be hacked.....

You both seem to be confusing Kudelski with Chris Tarnovsky.
2 totally different people.On 2 apposing sides of the fence.



Kudelski loses!" said the man who hacked his smart cards.

This is a translated page from the Netherlands and describes exactly why N3 won't be a problem.

Kudelski card hacker at Black Hat conference in Amsterdam..

PAID ACCESS SYSTEMS. A key witness in the court case opposing the Swiss group Kudelski against the media giant News Corporation was passing by in Amsterdam, attending a conference on computer piracy. We met him.
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François Pilet, Amsterdam
Saturday, March 29 2008

The audience is glued to the lips of Christopher Tarnovsky. In front of a podium of hackers and security specialists - with an average age of 25 - the self-taught electronics specialist revealed the techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains in the whole world.

The scene takes place in the Mövenpick hotel in Amsterdam, where the European edition of the Black Hat conference was held Thursday and Friday last week. This is one of the prime professional meetings dedicated to computer piracy. Among the twenty or so speakers invited to this big get-together, Christoper Tarnovsky talked for more than one and a half hour in the "Lausanne" room - a sign of destiny (Tr. note: Lausanne is a Swiss city close to the headquarters of the Kudelski Group).

Employed by NDS

The American 39-year-old is accused of having been recruited by the Israeli company NDS, a competitor of Kudeslki, for breaking and publish on the Internet the safety codes of Canal Plus in 1999 and then repeating the operation at the expense of the group Vaud and its customers. The dissemination of codes had enabled hundreds of thousands of pirates access to encrypted programs without paying subscription.

The American Echostar satellite platform, which uses maps to protect its contents, said she had lost hundreds of millions of dollars due to piracy and called for a billion dollars in compensation from NDS, a subsidiary of media group News Corp.

During the month of April, Christopher Tarnovsky testify in a court in California to defend NDS, which has employed for ten years, since 1997. According to him, Kudelski and Echostar have invented from scratch, the plot of which they claim to be victims to mask the weakness of their encryption system.

In his eyes, the case against NDS is nothing short of an extortion attempt. "Sure, I've broken the cards of Kudelski", he annoyedly states. "I was paid by NDS to do it. This is an activity that all companies in the trade do. But why would I have published these codes on the Net for free? I am not stupid, and I never had the intention of taking that risk."

Tarnovsky no longer works for the group over the past year. He launched his independent company, Flylogic, through which it puts its know-how available to consumer electronics manufacturers to test the strength of their products face of the onslaught of pirates before they are put on the market.

Christopher Tarnovsky detailing the fragility of the system based on these chips designed by a handful of companies, like Motorola ( MOT ) and Infinenon, which are used in products as diverse as remote garage, alarm systems and car TV decoders.

Unbreakable? Wrong!

Manufacturers of semiconductors claim that their chips are inviolable. Companies that integrate them into their products rely on the specifications provided to them. They think that their secrets will be well guarded. That is not true, of course. "

Christopher Tarnovski uses HydroBromic acid to eat away at the passivation layers and doping guns to cut/add traces to a working IC. And to submit photos of his laboratory, fitted with equipment he used for a few thousand dollars. At the center, a powerful Zeiss microscope to enter the heart of the chip which are hidden the precious codes. The successive layers of silicon are revealed with acids and lasers. The engineer then explained how he took control of the map by bypassing its protections with long microscopic needles. Within minutes for the weakest, a few hours for the best-designed, the contents of the card opens 9 times out of 10 these these assaults.

Upon questions, a voice is raised in the back of the room. An engineer from Microsoft expressed concern: "Have you looked at our processor game console Xbox360? I have been offered 100000 dollars for the break, Tarnovsky said. But I replied that it was not enough. "

It has not invested enough

At the turn of a journalist Estonian. Son pays, . His country, a precursor of cyberdemocracy, introduced in 2001 an identity card chip, which can be used for banking transactions like online voting. This is a Motorola, sniffs Tarnovsky. A former model, poorly secured.

And Kudelski cards? In short embarrassed silence before flies his responce, "Sorry for them: the last two generations have been broken. The next will be also. They have not invested enough in research over the past decade. Today, Kudelski has more money, see the share price. They hope to rebuild with the trial, but they will lose. "

So what you think of that i hope it happens

[DAVEYEFF]

Originally Posted by howmuch

Intresting read could there be light at the end of the tunnel and a chance to stick it to the man
setwire
03-10-2009, 12:04 AM
i second that kudelski stated himself that n3 will be hacked.....

You both seem to be confusing Kudelski with Chris Tarnovsky.
2 totally different people.On 2 apposing sides of the fence.



Kudelski loses!" said the man who hacked his smart cards.

This is a translated page from the Netherlands and describes exactly why N3 won't be a problem.

Kudelski card hacker at Black Hat conference in Amsterdam..

PAID ACCESS SYSTEMS. A key witness in the court case opposing the Swiss group Kudelski against the media giant News Corporation was passing by in Amsterdam, attending a conference on computer piracy. We met him.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


François Pilet, Amsterdam
Saturday, March 29 2008

The audience is glued to the lips of Christopher Tarnovsky. In front of a podium of hackers and security specialists - with an average age of 25 - the self-taught electronics specialist revealed the techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains in the whole world.

The scene takes place in the Mövenpick hotel in Amsterdam, where the European edition of the Black Hat conference was held Thursday and Friday last week. This is one of the prime professional meetings dedicated to computer piracy. Among the twenty or so speakers invited to this big get-together, Christoper Tarnovsky talked for more than one and a half hour in the "Lausanne" room - a sign of destiny (Tr. note: Lausanne is a Swiss city close to the headquarters of the Kudelski Group).

Employed by NDS

The American 39-year-old is accused of having been recruited by the Israeli company NDS, a competitor of Kudeslki, for breaking and publish on the Internet the safety codes of Canal Plus in 1999 and then repeating the operation at the expense of the group Vaud and its customers. The dissemination of codes had enabled hundreds of thousands of pirates access to encrypted programs without paying subscription.

The American Echostar satellite platform, which uses maps to protect its contents, said she had lost hundreds of millions of dollars due to piracy and called for a billion dollars in compensation from NDS, a subsidiary of media group News Corp.

During the month of April, Christopher Tarnovsky testify in a court in California to defend NDS, which has employed for ten years, since 1997. According to him, Kudelski and Echostar have invented from scratch, the plot of which they claim to be victims to mask the weakness of their encryption system.

In his eyes, the case against NDS is nothing short of an extortion attempt. "Sure, I've broken the cards of Kudelski", he annoyedly states. "I was paid by NDS to do it. This is an activity that all companies in the trade do. But why would I have published these codes on the Net for free? I am not stupid, and I never had the intention of taking that risk."

Tarnovsky no longer works for the group over the past year. He launched his independent company, Flylogic, through which it puts its know-how available to consumer electronics manufacturers to test the strength of their products face of the onslaught of pirates before they are put on the market.

Christopher Tarnovsky detailing the fragility of the system based on these chips designed by a handful of companies, like Motorola ( MOT ) and Infinenon, which are used in products as diverse as remote garage, alarm systems and car TV decoders.

Unbreakable? Wrong!

Manufacturers of semiconductors claim that their chips are inviolable. Companies that integrate them into their products rely on the specifications provided to them. They think that their secrets will be well guarded. That is not true, of course. "

Christopher Tarnovski uses HydroBromic acid to eat away at the passivation layers and doping guns to cut/add traces to a working IC. And to submit photos of his laboratory, fitted with equipment he used for a few thousand dollars. At the center, a powerful Zeiss microscope to enter the heart of the chip which are hidden the precious codes. The successive layers of silicon are revealed with acids and lasers. The engineer then explained how he took control of the map by bypassing its protections with long microscopic needles. Within minutes for the weakest, a few hours for the best-designed, the contents of the card opens 9 times out of 10 these these assaults.

Upon questions, a voice is raised in the back of the room. An engineer from Microsoft expressed concern: "Have you looked at our processor game console Xbox360? I have been offered 100000 dollars for the break, Tarnovsky said. But I replied that it was not enough. "

It has not invested enough

At the turn of a journalist Estonian. Son pays, . His country, a precursor of cyberdemocracy, introduced in 2001 an identity card chip, which can be used for banking transactions like online voting. This is a Motorola, sniffs Tarnovsky. A former model, poorly secured.

And Kudelski cards? In short embarrassed silence before flies his responce, "Sorry for them: the last two generations have been broken. The next will be also. They have not invested enough in research over the past decade. Today, Kudelski has more money, see the share price. They hope to rebuild with the trial, but they will lose. "

So what you think of that i hope it happens

this was posted on here a few days ago, if you read the chris tarnovsky thread you will see why he,s just a bull****ter, and talks ****e. it may happen, but probably not. he,s a gob****e.

[kerrywez]

Great that, so where has he been when all us sat boys have been looking for a hack for N3, for the past two years. You cable boys got to remember that you are a small part of the picture here. The Spanish sat boys have been trying to hack N3 for two years now, as have the Yanks and just about every nation in Europe. That made laugh, if he is so good, why has he not done anything yet?

I would love to see N3 hacked, but I fear that by the time it is there will be another nagra encryption waiting in the wings to take it's place. Everything that is man made can be backward engineered, but it takes time and a lot of money to do it, but the problem is that as soon as N3 is hacked it will be too late be of any benefit to any of us. I do hope that your mate is right and he can hack N3, but if he knows how to do it then why has he not done it before now and why would he be so silly to let people know he can, he would spend a long time in jail if he is caught so nothing in that piece stands the test of scrutiny, sad to say?

Regards Wez

[TheCoder]

lol, not this Tarnovsky manure again !

Notice how the original post is nearly two years old and he still hasn't made good on his promise. The guys simply an over-hyped ego-maniac who became famous because NDS handed him everything on a plate !

[Nivida]

if some 1 put some money on the plate m8...he would hack it can assure u that ...u dont work 4 companys like that 4 nothing ...v clever bloke !!

[kerrywez]

You got to be joking mate, he is a nobody, Sly paid him and provided him with everything he needed to do his work, but write to him and please ask him just when he is going to hack N3. You need to pull your head out of the sand and realise that there is no hack for N3, nor is there likely to be one any time soon, but you live in fantasy land anyway, so keep dreaming on. You are giving false hope to people on here and that is not right, people need to know the facts, not some what if and rubbish like that. The facts are that there is no hack for N3.

Regards Wez

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by Nivida

if some 1 put some money on the plate m8...he would hack it can assure u that ...

If someone put the right amount of money on the plate then a lot of people could do it. You dont have to be particularly clever, its all about having the resources to do the job !

Thing about Tarnovsky is that he came out and boasted how he could do it and how easy it was. Two years later and he's pretty much faded into obscurity with absolutely no sign he's done anything whatsoever. The main reason for that is that NDS have effectively abandoned him so he's cut off from all his real information !

[gji25]

we will just have to wait and see