Cabl on PC in Leeds

[k.jacko]

I think that was a harsh way to treat a newer and, judging from his OP inexperienced member to the boards.
Was this another sat user beating down on a cable user again?

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

Ceratinly does. Either you pay for the channels you desire or you do without.

This was a more civil and helpful answer.

Half of this forum is made up of cable users giving the shaft to vm, so there are a lot of 'us'. Why do you feel the need to take the moral high high (cos you pay for your subs) and belittle a new user who asked a genuine question. it doesn't make him stupid, it makes him uneducated in this area.

Originally Posted by martin-f

no m8 you was looking for a way to get the channels for free and you are that stupid you thought that using a card in a pc would fool them no there are not as daft as you now
all the best m8

Sat guys often moan that cable guys post in the wrong section and flame them for it.....maybe on this occasion, you are in the wrong section!
Yes you answered his question, but because you're totally unempathetic to cable users you decided to get cute with your answer. Then you call him stupid.

Nice.

mele, afaik there is no workaround, but i think you've gathered that by now. Shame about they way you found out though.

edit: I'll add that if you see how many times martin-f has been thanked, you can assume that generally he is a helpful chap, but we all have off moods.

[kerrywez]

First, stupid questions deserve to have answers which show their stupidity. Second, the only time a cable guy gets told he is posting in the wrong section is when he has posted a cable question in the satellite section. In the case to hand anyone can post to any section, you are quite welcome to come to the satellite section and ask any question which is relevant to satellite, and if there is an answer you will get one. It is not rocket science to know that there will be no way round the N3 encryption, at the moment. The satellite members know more about N3 than other members, for the simple reason it has been used in the satellite world for over 2 1/2 years and those who broke the 1 and 2 versions of Nagra were European satellite guys and even they have not been able to hack the latest version, so I think that satellite members have a bit of a start on the cable members when it comes to N3. According to your theory, only cable lads should post to the cable section, it would not be possible for me to post to the mobile phones section or any other. TW is for anyone to post anywhere, as long as their post is relevant to that section and is not utter and complete madness or illegal in the forum rules.

Rather than writing in code "mele, afaik there is no workaround," please be good enough to post in plain English, some of us old hands can't decipher some of these coded phrases, thanks. Because I have not got a clue what you were saying there and as you were good enough to post, I would assume that you have something constructive to say and I would like to know what that was.

Regards Wez

[johnoo]

Originally Posted by k.jacko

mele, afaik there is no workaround, but i think you've gathered that by now. Shame about they way you found out though.

edit: I'll add that if you see how many times martin-f has been thanked, you can assume that generally he is a helpful chap, but we all have off moods.

I think some people are getting there jollies from telling people theres no way to get free tv anymore,you would think they were employed by virgin the way they go on.In my case it won't really matter,I have always paid for services for virgin(previous telewest) for as long as I can remember,and as we have a v+,v box and 20bb in the house it won't really affect me(it just so happens I like to watch/capture on pc).That people have been getting free services that I have paid for all these years does not make me feel bitter.Forum should be about helping people and not just a "ha ha no free tv for you anymore",that can be left for forums like digitalspy.Maybe there will be a fix in the future,maybe not but that is how mankind has progressed by solving things,in this case either by getting free tv or trying to stop people getting free tv.

[k.jacko]

Originally Posted by kerrywez

First, stupid questions deserve to have answers which show their stupidity.

Its may seem stupid if you already know the answer. If you don't know the answer then you should be able to ask without fear of being flamed for it.

Second, the only time a cable guy gets told he is posting in the wrong section is when he has posted a cable question in the satellite section. In the case to hand anyone can post to any section, you are quite welcome to come to the satellite section and ask any question which is relevant to satellite, and if there is an answer you will get one.

My point was that there seems to be numerous examples (i'm not going to bother looking for them) of squabbling between cable and sat users. Why, i really don't know, maybe because sat users pay subs and 'some' cable users don't and there is a bitterness for some reason. A little more empathy regarding the OP's situation may have come from a regular cable user, that's what i'm getting at.

It is not rocket science to know that there will be no way round the N3 encryption, at the moment. The satellite members know more about N3 than other members, for the simple reason it has been used in the satellite world for over 2 1/2 years and those who broke the 1 and 2 versions of Nagra were European satellite guys and even they have not been able to hack the latest version, so I think that satellite members have a bit of a start on the cable members when it comes to N3.

I don't disagree with you at all. It was the manner of response a new member of the forums got that got me replying.

According to your theory, only cable lads should post to the cable section, it would not be possible for me to post to the mobile phones section or any other. TW is for anyone to post anywhere, as long as their post is relevant to that section and is not utter and complete madness or illegal in the forum rules.

I said never formed a theory, again, my point was martin-f's post came across as quite rude and laced with anomosity for a cable user. Would a sat user new to the sat scene posting in the sat section have been met with such belittlement?

Rather than writing in code "mele, afaik there is no workaround," please be good enough to post in plain English, some of us old hands can't decipher some of these coded phrases, thanks. Because I have not got a clue what you were saying there and as you were good enough to post, I would assume that you have something constructive to say and I would like to know what that was.

Regards Wez

afaik = as far as i know.
I was offended on behalf of mele because i didn't know the answer to his question either and i'm not a stupid person, just un-knowledgeable on this subject too. I guess it is common sense that it won't really work on a pc, but analoguesat's reply would have been enough, not martin-f's, where in one post he called mele both stupid and daft.

It simply wasn't needed. And rather than mele assuming that all users respond that way, i'd like him to know that isn't the case.
Hence my edit at the bottom showing martin-f to be of help to plenty of others. I bear no anomosity to you for replying if you genuinely misinterpreted what i said, or martin-f for what he said.
But there is a saying that goes something like "if you don't have anything nice to say...."

Hope i'm making more sense now.

[kerrywez]

Thanks for your detailed reply mate. It is quite difficult to be asked the same thing over and over, all be that question in a different format. So to avoid any more misunderstanding from any member I shall try and make it as clear as possible, all this has to stop and it is doing the forum any good in the least.

N3 HAS NOT BEEN HACKED, AT LEASE THERE IS NO PUBLIC HACK AVAILABLE FOR IT, THERE IS NO WAY TO GET PAST THE N3 ENCRYPTION, NOT A HOPE IN HELL. NO RECEIVER, BE THEY SATELLITE OR CABLE, NONE, NOT EVEN PC CARDS, CAN CIRCUMVENT N3.

SOME HAVE SAID THAT CS MIGHT BE A WAY ROUND THE PROBLEM, BUT THAT IS NOT A HACK AND IT WILL NOT WORK WITH ANY RECEIVER, OTHER THAN A LINUX BASED ONE. SO PUT IN A NUTSHELL, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A LINUX RECEIVER YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF GETTING ROUND N3 IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I think that just about covers everything and I hope that it might avoid any more questions regarding N3 and anything regarding hacking it and bring a bit of sanity to the forum.

Regards Wez

[k.jacko]

Understood mate. There is a lot of repetition on the these boards and i understand the frustration of some of the more senior members.
The search engine is indeed there for a reason, although i think the op mentioned he'd looked.
Aaanyway......we've had our say, the answers are certainly clear now, lol.

Cheers

[kian02]

think you are all a little bit out of order it is pos to get cable through your pc and sat if you want I have 2 usb devices that do just that and I have 2 official cams and cards for them and all work fine if you want to nowhere to get them m8 pm me

[TheCoder]

Originally Posted by mele2511

I have been thinking of getting one of them cards that i can watch vm on my pc with. The question i want to know is, I am aware that all chipped cable boxes in leeds are not working because of the new encription but does this affect the pc cards too ?

It should be prefectly possible to to use a subbed card to work with a PC dvb-c unit in order to receive whatever the card authourises. To do so you would need to obtain your card pairing details in exactly the same way as you would need for cardsharing.

Also, you dont need a linux box or anything like that for CS, a PC will do it perfectly adequately with the correct software. A PC with a dvb-c card is more than capable of acting as a CS client.