Since forum rules do not permit discussion of card-sharing techniques this isn't going to be a technical post. I said goodbye to Virgin TV just before the world cup when I switched to Sky+ HD (great piece of kit btw) but gave my old STB to a friend to use as a secondary box in his kids bedoroom. Since the new batch of cards he's obviously lost most of the channels on the secondary box. After having a read around on the forum (first time in a few months) I see that people are using CS to get around N3. I just can't see it working in the long-term on such a large-scale. How many legitimate subscriptions would be needed for each area, who pays for all of these, especially when sales of cable boxes tail off. Whats to stop Virgin from buying one of these boxes themselves and making a list of all the cards being shared and killing them off? If they don't already have a box already. Then who pays for new subcriptions? I've seen it work on a small / underground scale, especially with a few people splitting to cost of a satellite subcription amongst 5 or 6 people, but anything this large surely can't go under the radar of the cable co? Espcially after they finally spent so much time and money rolling out new viewing cards. I'm just interested to see what people think about this, as from what i've read a lot of people are buying boxes that might not even work very soon, from sellers claiming to offer 12 month subscriptions etc. I'm not trying to scare-monger either, just every other large-scale CS operation i've read about seems to do down when the provider gets wind of it.