virgin internal memo....dodgy boxes.

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  1. yorkshireman

    yorkshireman Active Member

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    just received this.....worth a read :)
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    In November we let you know how we're kicking fraud to the gutter and
    tackling the use of unauthorised set-top boxes, now take a look inside the
    day of our biggest operation to date...
    Location: East London and Essex. Operation 'Koblenz' Brief: Following a
    seven month investigation, a company called 'Rayyonics' has been identified
    as a major distributor of unauthorised set-top boxes, thought to be
    distributing thousands of boxes to consumers every week. Today's operation
    will consist of synchronised raids targeting five residences and the
    Rayyonics business unit. Team status: Ready for action! (and slightly cold
    and hungry).
    05:00 - The team get in gear and head to the police station for the final
    pre- operation brief. They'll be split into five teams, made up of Police
    Officers and the Virgin team ready to make the early morning raids.

    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    06:00 - Teams assembled, they head to the five addresses, collated by our
    Investigations and Intelligence team through research and analysis with
    warrants issued by local magistrates courts.

    06:30 -'GO, GO, GO.' the teams storm their allocated premises. The six
    suspects are read their rights and arrested for, 'Conspiracy to defraud
    Virgin Media' and are taken into custody (or 'the bin' in police lingo).

    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    07:30 - A full search of the main player's house reveals over £90,000 in
    cash and a huge amount of other evidence relating the offences that are
    under investigation. For now, the money is collected, counted, photographed
    and seized along with all the other evidence recovered.
    08:30 - The 'key holder' to the business premises is cuffed and taken in
    Police transport to the Rayyonics business unit to open up the premises
    where around 2600 unauthorised set-top boxes are discovered.
    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    09:00 - Cops on Camera - the Police 'Scenes of Crime' unit arrives and films
    the property's contents ahead of the full search of the warehouse. Reports
    come in that valuable evidence has been seized at the other addresses raided
    and is being taken back to the Police station.

    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    10:30 - Two more suspects are escorted to the premises to identify property.
    The Virgin Media team commence a detailed search of the building and start
    to seize and preserve evidence. As the morning progresses it comes to light
    that there is a further warehouse containing even more boxes.

    12:00 - The Police financial investigators arrive on the scene to commence a
    detailed examination of all potential financial evidence. There is also
    evidence of an array of luxury goods, bought by the company Director over
    the last few months. The police will go to court later this week with the
    intention to freeze a selection of the assets identified.
    (12:15 - Quick re-fuel and bacon buttie stop)

    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    12:30 - The Virgin Media cavalry arrives to start taking away the seized set
    top boxes, they're loaded into vans and taken away where they'll be securely
    stored as evidence.

    14:00 - Some of the team head over to the second warehouse where a
    further1,900 boxes are found and seized by our guys.
    15:00 - Rendezvous at the police station to interview the suspects. Each
    person will be questioned by the Virgin Media team and the Police, long into
    the night...

    <<...OLE_Obj...>>
    22:30 - Interviews done, the suspects are bailed pending further enquiries
    into the offences they've been arrested for. It's back for a good nights
    sleep before they head back to the nic tomorrow for a de-brief with the
    police officers.
    So how did we get here?
    It's taken seven months of in depth investigation to get the team ready for
    full roll out of operation Koblenz, with the entire team having a part to
    play in the development of this case. It's been a great step for Virgin
    Media.
    On the day, Inspector Steve Edwards said, "We're very pleased with the way
    the operation has gone so far. We've achieved our objectives, the subjects
    have been identified, the evidence has been obtained and the process is
    going well. It'll now be a question of looking at what we've got, assessing
    from there and concluding with a successful prosecution."
    The Investigations & Intelligence Team, echoed the Inspector's comments,
    saying, "Now that the principle subjects have been arrested, we'll continue
    to collate evidence to compile a case against them. The forensic
    investigation could take months, so the hard work has only just begun!"
    It's also hoped that the knock on effect from this operation will help
    identify more suspects in the supply chain and lead us to the main source of
    production abroad. The suspects have now been released on Police bail and
    are due to answer bail at the Police station in March where there'll be more
    interviews, so we'll let you know how we get on next year...
    If you want to find out more about the Group Security team and what they get
    up to, And if you know of any fraudulent activity, you can get in touch with us via
    Speak Out. It's confidential and safe and we'll always take what you say
    seriously. You can even get in touch with us anonymously if you want
     
  2. Macabre

    Macabre Well-Known Member

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    If boxes are new and in box they aren't illegal , so firm have done nothing wrong .


    However if firm daft enough to sell boxes which have been upgraded to accept illegal viewing , have only themseleves to blame.
     
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  3. Marc

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    Lol is all i can say to that, to many inconsistencies for my liking,yes it happend,but as its printed there?? nah i dont think so

    Marc
     
  4. bigronnie

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    hello out there

    if they raided rayonics and there officies they would have all the address of supplyers/people that bought the boxes off them
     
  5. Gatorade1

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    LOl _I'm sure it is not illegal to sell them as it's just a bit of kit that depends on end-user if ever connected to anything. I'm sure it is breach of contract for end user not to delete the channels they ain't paid for, but would require a warrant and police to break the door down while you just sit watching unpaid for to prove it.

    Boxes do not send out active signals, they just interpret the cable feed that VM are thowing down every line and listen for you.
     
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    Yep old news just another bull crap thread.:nah_nah:
     
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    Gatorade1 Well-Known Member

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    An interesting and helpful post that pushed the debate on YAWN :nope:
     
  9. astro77

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    Why thank you kind sir.:rudeboy:
     
  10. Gatorade1

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    Another helpful piece of wisdom - you're on form tonight
     
  11. KevinJones

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    O dear,

    Here we go again.

    Cable boxes have been here for a while, its not a new thing. Dream, Nokia, Samsung, they have all made cable receivers. Not just Rayyonics. These receivers can be used in UK and have been sold here. These are similar to eurovoxes.

    The reality of this whole thing is, all these "operations" are a waste of taxpayers money. "Scenes of Crime" and overhyped memos. Look at the over-hype in the mrmodchips case.. (Search google for "This case today sets a major precedent which makes a milestone in the fight against piracy")...

    If theres a problem with a product, get an injunction. Stop wasting hard earnt taxpayers money

    Companies like VM should put effort into making their services better, upgrading their outdated equipment and toughening their encryption. But i guess wasting taxpayers money is cheaper and easier.

    £90k for a company of that size is neglible. Hardly a breakthrough. But really, now their job is to make a case.. But shouldnt this have been done BEFORE the "Operation Koblenz" was done? And the fact is, this company was also making products that had nothing to do with the cable industry (sat receivers).

    The memo is laughable. FFS this is not a drug bust against armed criminals. It is a company that is trading in products. GO GO GO, LMFAO. Have a sandwich, go to sleep,

    I hate all the hype and how dumb people can be.

    Please try to put some common sense into things before following overdone media hype. VM should spend the time and effort into updating their encryption to a more updated standard. Using outdated encryption and persuing this stuff is illogical. Even PCIE-DVBC tuners are becoming available, and what are they gunna do? ban them?
     
  12. AciidSn3ak3r

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    TBH if it wasnt for the 'dodgy' boxes then VM would probably be more in the red.
    This because most people would like to keep their feed live. They will either buy the broadband or tv package (which will come with the phoneline) so at the end of the day VM are still making money as people want to keep their feed live. Yes there are people that take the risk and could be disconnected at any time, but like me i get the broadband just so that i have that guarantee that the line wont be d/c and i have help at hand from the VM team if the service goes down.

    Also bout the Rayyonics thing, their only making boxes that can be used with the FTA firmware which isn't illegal obvs. Yes their are the illegal firmware also, but Rayyonics doesn't encourage nor ship their boxes with this firmware, not sure if they ship it with any firmware from stock.

    At the end of the day its people that deal them out in large quantities that will be done for fraud as they will most likely distribute them with the 'illegal' firmware on it.

    If you use one of these boxes you run the risk.
    :)
     
  13. mymir

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    I understand Rayyonics prosecution went ahead in the begining of January 2010. Does any one has any further news regarding the trial? What is the outcome? Is the trial still in progress?
     
  14. andybrock

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    Old news and with N3 approaching who thats bothered.
    Non event:snooze:
     
  15. stuss

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    what was the point in a raid knowing vm were starting to switch over to n3 late 2009 the boxs would be useless. i find it appalling as a tax payer to find you and i funding such a raid (bit late to complain i know)- 10"s of thousands of pounds and probably hundreds of man hours worth of lack of intelligence would of been spent in organising and arranging dawn raids and as was said in a few earlier posts, if plod raided the warehouses, would the boxs seized be fta, making a prosecution harder to be obtained..

    regards stusss
     
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    12:30 - The Virgin Media cavalry arrives to start taking away the seized set
    top boxes, they're loaded into vans and taken away where they'll be securely
    stored as evidence. (Quote)

    This quotation is what exposes this as a spoof yarn! The writer must not know that only the police have a legal right to sieze evidence. (Remember!! These are not like the old "chipped" vermin boxes that they could walk in and seze if they suspected fraud)
     
  17. TDF

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    I'd have to imagine mymir is, him asking was kind of a clue, tbh I'm interested too.
     
  18. POOLEEMAD

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    exactly i could not of put it better myself

    poolee
     

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